Look at all the drunk bums loitering in front of and around the Fresno Supermarket Liquor Store.

Also all the drunks hanging around the M R Market and in the M R Laundry the market owner owns laundry and its his customers.

They urinate behind the laundry and on the public sidewalk in front of school children.

Dages has never done anything about the problem the whole time on the Council, neither did the former ocupants of his Council seat, Quintero, or Padilla.

Also while i think requiring solar on all new city buildings is good.

Who gets the contract for it?

Friends or family members of Dages?

As for Dages running for Mayor.

Just say NO!

I think there was an article in the Bee yesterday or the day before about various kinds of "poop to electricity" & "poop to natural gas" methods...I can't remember the specifics, but a couple of dairies were using some
version of this that was supposed to be all cutting-edge and such. Sounds like a step in the right direction. They said it not only created the useful by-products, but lowered the amount of nastiness released into the atmosphere.

I think it is a great idea to make the new buildings solar. Honestly making it required on all new buildings and homes would be great. They want to require fire sprinklers in private homes, why not solar power as well. Then real progress would be made. I wish we could afford the cost of converting our home to solar.

Let the city pay for and install the panels and I will pay them the amount I am saving on PG&E bill. This goes for the window replacement folks too.

don't get me wrong, I freakin' LOVE the idea...
(Anything to keep nukes out of the area (shivered and just hurled at the thought...)

And if there is one thing this town has, it's sun exposure... (well, not recently, but you guys like to get all your rain overwith before Easter, then roast the place like one of Leo's little lucky beans the rest of the year...

I just find a bit of reverse psychology in terms of 'mandate.'
--One way to get something shot down in these har parts, is to say 'you have ta do it.' (patoeee)

That's what feels suspicious 'bout this whole deal.
-might even make the spaceship prettier...

As for the 'private,' retrofit.
---This subject came up on MindHerd some time ago, and Jodi Fitzpatrick and Cindy Wathen (sorta Thelma & Louise 'live,') mentioned that there are already solar panels being made that actually blend (get that, BLEND,) and look aesthetically pleasing (IE: fit right in) with terra cotta roof panels...
---With some govt. kickback in terms of rebates, --this could be a good thing.

As for CowFarts (..spliff, such a thoughtful bastid...)

I still think there is a mountain of methane and other burnable gasses that can be used to fuel electro-turbines... (this is NOT a new tech, by any stretch...) --and Lord knows we have the flatulence and other forms of decay that can be harnessed.

--There was an interesting article (okay, where did I see it... SLATE) about SanDiego purifying 'blackwater,' (sewage water,) and completely purifying it so that it's totally harmless and can be reintroduced to the drinking water... (we're not talking 'from hopper to gizmo to drinking glass.' ---but a system that actually sounds a lot more 'pure,' than the current Fresno one...

Heck... in the Mid-East they've been drinking recycled water for quite sometime now...

(not a new concept stateside, actually... What do you think RollingRock is made of?)

I do believe the proposal was on new city owned structures. Making existing private property owners retrofit is a whole other issue.

Diablo

is cafe corazon in a city owned buiding? don't thinks so.

so, back to the question, is there a con for requiring all new city owned buildings to be built with solar panels?

Should Cafe Corazon be forced to installed solar panels? Of course the landlord would have to bear the cost, but what if he passed it on to you? I imagine that's one con.

...I feel ALL "city-owned" buildings, new or old, should be solar.

It would even be way rad to have ALL buildings and homes this way.

Of course, we'll still be breathing cow farts...

-s

This forces creative solutions to using the panels and making them look good on a structure. Aesthetically appealing and functional. (I still say covering the city hall in these panels is almost a no brainer)

Fresno has a chance to really lead something here. It also has a chance to pioneer. Assuming of course that there isn't a city somewhere where they have tons of panels and they look good. Then we'd just be doing what they are doing, but who cares we're talkin benefit to the community here...

Can anyone think of cons?

Diablo

Don't really see any kind of con with the idea other than up front expense.

I'd imagine the building recupes the initial outlay of money with energy savings. Hopefully in a reasonable amount of time.

Diablo

I knew I was standing in line with hard-core Republicans, (when I was buying my Kefir...) They just kept looking at me funny...

-and that one blue-haired little old lady in the prius clearly was muttering '...take that you commie liberal Democrat bastard,' as she was trying to (silently,) run me over in the parking lot over there last week...'

(suddenly this song: '...gotta keep'm sep-ah-rated...' (GreenDay?) is stuck in my mind...)

-havn't the slightest idea why.

I love it.
The same guys who have been on KMJ knocking the evil environmentalists for the last ten years are now turning GREEN.

The blurb I read just said "city-owned" buildings. And the ordinance hasn't passed yet.

it's MANDATED?

...jeesh, talk about a way to get everybody pissed and up at arms at once...

Not: 'We're making provisions, doing underwriting, offering incentives, and want to see this tech. grow, -as it will assist greatly with air-quality and produce power ta boot...' yadda-yadda-yadda, nurture-nurture-nurture...

but

'MANDATED,'
(IE: 'Do this or you're breaking the law, and you will face stiff penalties and jail time.') (okay, maybe not jailtime)

I mean, is it an excellent idea?
Yeah, sure...
it's way excellent...

Solar out here makes as much sense as salsa and ranch dressing on darn near everything... (I mean, I drank the cool-aid on that one a long time ago.)

But 'MANDATED,' ?!

It sounds to me like a deliberate ploy to make people 'have to do it,' (sort of like how folks 'have to drive sober,' and 'have to get busted for not doing so,' and 'have to stop for those funny red signs at intersections,' and 'have to not smoke dope in public.'

And 'Have-to's in these parts is a sure-fire way to get everybody to hate it and start screaming 'nazi oppressors...'

yeesh,,, talk about squashing a bug with a hammer....
way-ta-go.
(...is it possible for a massive dry lakebed to have dirt and rock that is actually bi-polar???, I'm just wondering.)

(but on the bright side?
wait until the benefits of 'solar,' starts to become more well known, and seen...)
...might just work.