OB,
Whether you are literally a real person with these bizarre, degrading, depraved, and violent views of others,
--or just somebody's composite literary sock puppet written in online character?,
there is an actual mind behind it, and I hope you are under a doctors care.
(I am not kidding.)
Regarding 'blaming the cop.'
Find one part of all of my writings where I'm blaming a cop. (any cop,) in this.
In fact, if you could read past your own warped agenda and slurs, you will find that what could be a major contributor to this situation
-is a severely negative side effect of (what might have been,) the medication this person was taking.
Now,
I'll be honest with you.
--You yourself could be somebody's patient.
Hell, you could be somebody's doctor,
(though it's not normative, I've known some professionals that have had views as screwed up as yours.)
--but
It is entirely possible that the regimine of medications that you, or anyone else could be on,
--could have (through no fault of the patient,) set up same said patient for more severe behaviors,
---simply by chemical reaction,
(all under the initial well meaninged attempt to see the patient do better.)
psych. meds are not like other meds.
They take time to ramp up, need to be closely monitored, often are severely effected by what a person eats, drinks, and many other day in - day out human body chemistry behaviors.
And they often behave differently with different people.
(It's not an exact science, --and certainly is not an exact science in an adolescent young man.)
Wheras you look to (pretty much any) situation with 'gee, lets see who's to blame' in this, and play your one guitar string (be it races, gangs, (whatever,)
--what you're missing?
is the fact that, even though this person attacked an officer, and was asking to be killed?
--They were taking medication for their emotional problems and
(if you'd read the link I posted,)
OTHERS of similar age, gender, (etc.) found that at least one of the meds this person was on (Geodon) was causing severely violent reactions,
in one case, a situation where a patient who was on it killed at least three other people, then themself.
-Are there a lot of variables to this? Sure.
But there are also a lot of very close similarities that I happened to bump into within fifteen minutes of finding out two of the meds this kid had been on.
Now, here's the deal.
I don't like what you write.
(I really don't, I think your views are dangerous, twisted, and pretty much everything bad I've ever found in this area rolled into one.
The kind of garbage that express on a regular basis typifies the worst perspectives that I think perpetually sculpt this area into being a complete hell-hole when it comes to any sort of community or social well being.)
--but that's okay.
It's just my opinion,
I'm sure you have many other people here in town, and in your life that think your views are just wunnerful.
But here's the REAL catch.
--Whether I like you or your views or not,
has NOTHING to do with your reasons or mental health that causes you to write the hellish garbage that you do.
NOR does it have anything to do with my wanting to see someone who is mentally ill, get best care.
--Based upon your writings?
You very well could have untreated mental illness.
--Based upon your writings?
You even could have mental illness that is under a physicians care (which, I seriously hope is the case.)
Now, regardless of whether I like what you say and do, or not?
My Biggest concern?
--If you are under somebody's care,
your best treatment is what is DEMANDED,
-That best treatment (medically,) means that the meds prescribed need to interract positively and bring on relief and balance for your personal state.
-Which (in a greater sense,) is what I'd want for anyone.
--If you are a person under a doctors care, ANY ethical and reasonable society, or community (which definitely includes police officers, med. personell, etc.) needs to understand that you are wrestling with your demons and are seeking the best help available.
--That means that you are not seen as
'some violent criminal who functions in logic and reason,'
---but somebody who has major issues, and that those issues need to be considered if/when/ if ever you really go off the deep end and start acting out (physically,) your violent views.
(It also takes into consideration that your rational state is seriously impared, so really, a professional cannot appeal nor reason with a person who is thus impared, --and has to work with them differently.)
-IF
You are taking a medication, and that is under a doctors care
-IF -you are under a physicians care, and following their orders,
AND
-you are having severe behaviors (either 'still,' or greatly increased (such as rages etc.) --and that is not addressed by same said physician?
I cannot view your actions to be purely your own fault.
It has to be seriously considered that a lot of your behaviors may be created by the same med-load that you are taking 'trying to be well.'
(Read that correctly.)
THAT is what is so interesting to me in this.
Yes, I feel bad that people died, and seriously wish this could have gone another way, but it didn't.
What I find most interesting in this, with the revelation that this guy was on Geodon (which others had found caused severe behaviors,) I think needs to be looked into.
This would be out of the same fairness that should exist for anyone, (regardless of how many siblings they have, what race they are, how rich or poor they are, or whether I like them as people or not.)
Do I think another 'columbine' 'Va. Tech' situation was avoided?
I don't know.
It's possible, ---but with no notes nor clear indicators (notes, comments, previous behaviors (etc.) that leave a 'paper trail,' of intent, ---nobody can really say.
The Va. Tech shooter had been struggling with mental illness for some time, and there had been several clear incidents prior to his behaviors where others had registered concern, and he left a major major paper and media trail, (and had been speaking and writing out his views on others for quite some time, they were available for view for a while, and were really damning of others, you should read them sometime.)
-what meds he was on (if any,) I don't know.
I had heard (at one point,) that he had been diagnosed as having a form of autism or aspbergers, but heard nothing past this one remark.
(Interestingly, the one kid on the string I provided a link to was also diagnosed with this condition.)
-Even if he was on the same meds as this kid, what would have to be looked at (thoroughly,) would be if it was simply the patients emotional problems (to begin with,) vs.
if the med has caused significant side effects in other patients in identical situations.
What is clear is that this person ambushed a cop, then, mid rage, AFTER being shot in the chest, (not the easiest of experiences for the one being shot, btw,)
he still said 'kill me.'
THAT tells me that this was a person who was quite self destructive and in a lot of emotional pain.
--This is not even normal 'criminal,' behavior, when someone has sustained serious injury.
This person not only did NOT seek to protect themself (with their physical gestures,) after being shot,
NOR
did they make any appeal for help, (show understanding of a life ending injury and show physical attempts at self-protection,
(in other words, no normal physical nor emotional defence mechanisms (body motions, verbal pleas, etc.) were demonstrated by this mortally injured person.)
AND
-in a critically injured state, they were still rage filled, locked into that, and requesting death.
That's not normal at all.
That further tells me that something was not working properly in his mind, and IF the person was under the influence of adverse medication reaction (such as one of the chemicals he was prescribed,)such a situation may have 'hard wired,' this guy into acting this way.
---I have seen this in patients before, and it is quite common for someone who has severe emotional illness to even want to 'calm down,' and act correctly,-and not be able to.
When a person is stuck in a 'rage,' or 'acting out,' mode, their behaviors can be quite extreme, they can endure unbelievable injury and seemingly not feel it, and often they cannot calm down and can even tell you that they feel powerless to stop their own behaviors.
(So they can even understand what is going on, and not be able to control themselves.)
Dealing with a person who has completely gone over in that regard, -who is in a chemically controlled state (under meds,) is enormously difficult, ---which is also why professionals (be they cops or whatever,) try NOT to have them go off, and work with them a lot more cautiously.
It is not possible to work with a persons 'rational side,' if they don't have one, or if it is severely impared and blanketed by a chemical.
Now, You can spend your time blaming whomever you want.
You seem to get off on it, and provided I don't have to clean up your keyboard, I really don't care.
What I'm looking at here, is a possible situation where adolescent and adult patients are having a severe side effect to a relatively new med, ---that has resulted in extremely violent behaviors, and may have been a major contributor to this persons demise, -as well as the injuring of an officer.
I'd really like to see someone take the initiative (either legally or clinically,) to really pursue what these meds are doing to people, and pull them from the register of acceptable medications IF there is a significant threat of such severe side effects, or at least put a very direct warning and age limitation on who can and should use it.
It's being used as an alternative to another med that is being retired, but also was heavilly prescribed, (and is still currently used,)
-so there could be a LOT more of this happening if physicians are rolling patients over onto this particular med, or a regimine that is comprised of this grouping of meds.
It looks like this has happened before, which means that it could happen again.
I'll be really clear here
OB,
Whether you are literally a real person with these bizarre, degrading, depraved, and violent views of others,
--or just somebody's composite literary sock puppet written in online character?,
there is an actual mind behind it, and I hope you are under a doctors care.
(I am not kidding.)
Regarding 'blaming the cop.'
Find one part of all of my writings where I'm blaming a cop. (any cop,) in this.
In fact, if you could read past your own warped agenda and slurs, you will find that what could be a major contributor to this situation
-is a severely negative side effect of (what might have been,) the medication this person was taking.
Now,
I'll be honest with you.
--You yourself could be somebody's patient.
Hell, you could be somebody's doctor,
(though it's not normative, I've known some professionals that have had views as screwed up as yours.)
--but
It is entirely possible that the regimine of medications that you, or anyone else could be on,
--could have (through no fault of the patient,) set up same said patient for more severe behaviors,
---simply by chemical reaction,
(all under the initial well meaninged attempt to see the patient do better.)
psych. meds are not like other meds.
They take time to ramp up, need to be closely monitored, often are severely effected by what a person eats, drinks, and many other day in - day out human body chemistry behaviors.
And they often behave differently with different people.
(It's not an exact science, --and certainly is not an exact science in an adolescent young man.)
Wheras you look to (pretty much any) situation with 'gee, lets see who's to blame' in this, and play your one guitar string (be it races, gangs, (whatever,)
--what you're missing?
is the fact that, even though this person attacked an officer, and was asking to be killed?
--They were taking medication for their emotional problems and
(if you'd read the link I posted,)
OTHERS of similar age, gender, (etc.) found that at least one of the meds this person was on (Geodon) was causing severely violent reactions,
in one case, a situation where a patient who was on it killed at least three other people, then themself.
-Are there a lot of variables to this? Sure.
But there are also a lot of very close similarities that I happened to bump into within fifteen minutes of finding out two of the meds this kid had been on.
Now, here's the deal.
I don't like what you write.
(I really don't, I think your views are dangerous, twisted, and pretty much everything bad I've ever found in this area rolled into one.
The kind of garbage that express on a regular basis typifies the worst perspectives that I think perpetually sculpt this area into being a complete hell-hole when it comes to any sort of community or social well being.)
--but that's okay.
It's just my opinion,
I'm sure you have many other people here in town, and in your life that think your views are just wunnerful.
But here's the REAL catch.
--Whether I like you or your views or not,
has NOTHING to do with your reasons or mental health that causes you to write the hellish garbage that you do.
NOR does it have anything to do with my wanting to see someone who is mentally ill, get best care.
--Based upon your writings?
You very well could have untreated mental illness.
--Based upon your writings?
You even could have mental illness that is under a physicians care (which, I seriously hope is the case.)
Now, regardless of whether I like what you say and do, or not?
My Biggest concern?
--If you are under somebody's care,
your best treatment is what is DEMANDED,
-That best treatment (medically,) means that the meds prescribed need to interract positively and bring on relief and balance for your personal state.
-Which (in a greater sense,) is what I'd want for anyone.
--If you are a person under a doctors care, ANY ethical and reasonable society, or community (which definitely includes police officers, med. personell, etc.) needs to understand that you are wrestling with your demons and are seeking the best help available.
--That means that you are not seen as
'some violent criminal who functions in logic and reason,'
---but somebody who has major issues, and that those issues need to be considered if/when/ if ever you really go off the deep end and start acting out (physically,) your violent views.
(It also takes into consideration that your rational state is seriously impared, so really, a professional cannot appeal nor reason with a person who is thus impared, --and has to work with them differently.)
-IF
You are taking a medication, and that is under a doctors care
-IF -you are under a physicians care, and following their orders,
AND
-you are having severe behaviors (either 'still,' or greatly increased (such as rages etc.) --and that is not addressed by same said physician?
I cannot view your actions to be purely your own fault.
It has to be seriously considered that a lot of your behaviors may be created by the same med-load that you are taking 'trying to be well.'
(Read that correctly.)
THAT is what is so interesting to me in this.
Yes, I feel bad that people died, and seriously wish this could have gone another way, but it didn't.
What I find most interesting in this, with the revelation that this guy was on Geodon (which others had found caused severe behaviors,) I think needs to be looked into.
This would be out of the same fairness that should exist for anyone, (regardless of how many siblings they have, what race they are, how rich or poor they are, or whether I like them as people or not.)
Do I think another 'columbine' 'Va. Tech' situation was avoided?
I don't know.
It's possible, ---but with no notes nor clear indicators (notes, comments, previous behaviors (etc.) that leave a 'paper trail,' of intent, ---nobody can really say.
The Va. Tech shooter had been struggling with mental illness for some time, and there had been several clear incidents prior to his behaviors where others had registered concern, and he left a major major paper and media trail, (and had been speaking and writing out his views on others for quite some time, they were available for view for a while, and were really damning of others, you should read them sometime.)
-what meds he was on (if any,) I don't know.
I had heard (at one point,) that he had been diagnosed as having a form of autism or aspbergers, but heard nothing past this one remark.
(Interestingly, the one kid on the string I provided a link to was also diagnosed with this condition.)
-Even if he was on the same meds as this kid, what would have to be looked at (thoroughly,) would be if it was simply the patients emotional problems (to begin with,) vs.
if the med has caused significant side effects in other patients in identical situations.
What is clear is that this person ambushed a cop, then, mid rage, AFTER being shot in the chest, (not the easiest of experiences for the one being shot, btw,)
he still said 'kill me.'
THAT tells me that this was a person who was quite self destructive and in a lot of emotional pain.
--This is not even normal 'criminal,' behavior, when someone has sustained serious injury.
This person not only did NOT seek to protect themself (with their physical gestures,) after being shot,
NOR
did they make any appeal for help, (show understanding of a life ending injury and show physical attempts at self-protection,
(in other words, no normal physical nor emotional defence mechanisms (body motions, verbal pleas, etc.) were demonstrated by this mortally injured person.)
AND
-in a critically injured state, they were still rage filled, locked into that, and requesting death.
That's not normal at all.
That further tells me that something was not working properly in his mind, and IF the person was under the influence of adverse medication reaction (such as one of the chemicals he was prescribed,)such a situation may have 'hard wired,' this guy into acting this way.
---I have seen this in patients before, and it is quite common for someone who has severe emotional illness to even want to 'calm down,' and act correctly,-and not be able to.
When a person is stuck in a 'rage,' or 'acting out,' mode, their behaviors can be quite extreme, they can endure unbelievable injury and seemingly not feel it, and often they cannot calm down and can even tell you that they feel powerless to stop their own behaviors.
(So they can even understand what is going on, and not be able to control themselves.)
Dealing with a person who has completely gone over in that regard, -who is in a chemically controlled state (under meds,) is enormously difficult, ---which is also why professionals (be they cops or whatever,) try NOT to have them go off, and work with them a lot more cautiously.
It is not possible to work with a persons 'rational side,' if they don't have one, or if it is severely impared and blanketed by a chemical.
Now, You can spend your time blaming whomever you want.
You seem to get off on it, and provided I don't have to clean up your keyboard, I really don't care.
What I'm looking at here, is a possible situation where adolescent and adult patients are having a severe side effect to a relatively new med, ---that has resulted in extremely violent behaviors, and may have been a major contributor to this persons demise, -as well as the injuring of an officer.
I'd really like to see someone take the initiative (either legally or clinically,) to really pursue what these meds are doing to people, and pull them from the register of acceptable medications IF there is a significant threat of such severe side effects, or at least put a very direct warning and age limitation on who can and should use it.
It's being used as an alternative to another med that is being retired, but also was heavilly prescribed, (and is still currently used,)
-so there could be a LOT more of this happening if physicians are rolling patients over onto this particular med, or a regimine that is comprised of this grouping of meds.
It looks like this has happened before, which means that it could happen again.
That is a major concern.