For eight years following the American Revolutionary War, it was illegal to produce or sell an atlas in England that did not show the (much smaller) USA as a British Colony.
(but then again, disagreeing with you would be seen as further defensive, so, it's kind of moot.)
Long? Yeah my stuff can be long.
And believe me, that was no rant.
The point of it?
It's two parts, actually.
1. Another writer was complaining about 'scenesters,' 'taking away,' from the legitimate ArtHop experience.
-I explained that ArtHop being a scene, is part of the point of ArtHop. --It's supposed to get larger and take on a life of it's own, (and it has, and it includes people who are serious about 'Art,' as well as those who are just looking for something to do.)
--My point? That is what ArtHop is for, and saying it's somehow diminshed by scensters, trendies, hipsters, hamsters, or whatever, is elitest and completely incorrect.
2. The thing about Ed's remarks about 'a bunch of sweaty people on bikes, coming in and drinking stuff, and then leaving, (without stopping to consider his show...)
-I further explained the time limitations of BikeHop (which, I think Ed knew what that group was, (It is also quite likely that I was possibly in the group,) and feel it should be answered to as well. (again, I've been in most of them over the past twelve months, led a few, and know the disposition of the group,
(IF) they just walk in get some munchies, look around and decide to leave?
It's only after the whole bunch has had a chance to really look at what was there,
-Most BikeHops are good sized in attendance, by virtue of the nature of stopping for a site, they can't just get-and-jet.
-If it was a small 'hop (and I've led some of them,) again, we leave only after we're sure everybody has had a chance to decide if they want to be there or not -and then give each other plenty of time to say, 'okay, lets go.'
That's how Ben ran it, That's how I ran my two (or three?) and I know Tom would do the same thing. It is extremely 'group concious,' and venue sensitive Because we know our size and how we can impact a show simply by walking in.
(We all in the group know that we have different tastes, and I've never seen them be in a big hurry to just go ripping through anywhere.)
-Because of the varying tastes? It's a group that bends over backwards to be considerate of each persons viewing time,
-and often thanks,(repeatedly,) any venues that have food or drink for us.
-Because we often hit the same venues each month, (and mix it up a little here and there,) we know the venue operators, and they know us.
If the group was bike hop? and were at Ed's showing?
Considering how much time we take once at a place,
-as well as how much effort it takes to actually get to a place,
It may just be that folks didn't find the show that appealing, (sorry, but it is what it is,)
we probably walked in, gave it a fair shot, and appreciated the munchies none-the-less.)
Somehow THAT possibility never made it into Ed's description of things.
-and I'm not going to sit back and let one of the better events in Fresno, (ArtHop/BikeHop)
-as well as a group that acts so differently than the depiction, both knowing and being a part of their behavior,) be missrepresented.
Call it what you wish.
Ed has another show?
Depending on it's location, I'm sure BikeHop we'll be happy to look at it again, (by and large, the group is very supportive of area artists,
But they're far from just grubbing, guzzling, and gettin'.
defensive?
nah, I don't think so.
(but then again, disagreeing with you would be seen as further defensive, so, it's kind of moot.)
Long? Yeah my stuff can be long.
And believe me, that was no rant.
The point of it?
It's two parts, actually.
1. Another writer was complaining about 'scenesters,' 'taking away,' from the legitimate ArtHop experience.
-I explained that ArtHop being a scene, is part of the point of ArtHop. --It's supposed to get larger and take on a life of it's own, (and it has, and it includes people who are serious about 'Art,' as well as those who are just looking for something to do.)
--My point? That is what ArtHop is for, and saying it's somehow diminshed by scensters, trendies, hipsters, hamsters, or whatever, is elitest and completely incorrect.
2. The thing about Ed's remarks about 'a bunch of sweaty people on bikes, coming in and drinking stuff, and then leaving, (without stopping to consider his show...)
-I further explained the time limitations of BikeHop (which, I think Ed knew what that group was, (It is also quite likely that I was possibly in the group,) and feel it should be answered to as well. (again, I've been in most of them over the past twelve months, led a few, and know the disposition of the group,
(IF) they just walk in get some munchies, look around and decide to leave?
It's only after the whole bunch has had a chance to really look at what was there,
-Most BikeHops are good sized in attendance, by virtue of the nature of stopping for a site, they can't just get-and-jet.
-If it was a small 'hop (and I've led some of them,) again, we leave only after we're sure everybody has had a chance to decide if they want to be there or not -and then give each other plenty of time to say, 'okay, lets go.'
That's how Ben ran it, That's how I ran my two (or three?) and I know Tom would do the same thing. It is extremely 'group concious,' and venue sensitive Because we know our size and how we can impact a show simply by walking in.
(We all in the group know that we have different tastes, and I've never seen them be in a big hurry to just go ripping through anywhere.)
-Because of the varying tastes? It's a group that bends over backwards to be considerate of each persons viewing time,
-and often thanks,(repeatedly,) any venues that have food or drink for us.
-Because we often hit the same venues each month, (and mix it up a little here and there,) we know the venue operators, and they know us.
If the group was bike hop? and were at Ed's showing?
Considering how much time we take once at a place,
-as well as how much effort it takes to actually get to a place,
It may just be that folks didn't find the show that appealing, (sorry, but it is what it is,)
we probably walked in, gave it a fair shot, and appreciated the munchies none-the-less.)
Somehow THAT possibility never made it into Ed's description of things.
-and I'm not going to sit back and let one of the better events in Fresno, (ArtHop/BikeHop)
-as well as a group that acts so differently than the depiction, both knowing and being a part of their behavior,) be missrepresented.
Call it what you wish.
Ed has another show?
Depending on it's location, I'm sure BikeHop we'll be happy to look at it again, (by and large, the group is very supportive of area artists,
But they're far from just grubbing, guzzling, and gettin'.