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Don't be ignorant. First of

Don't be ignorant. First of all, only part of the money collected from traffic fines go to the City of Fresno. It is shared with the County. Those monies in turn are used by the city for a number of things. So in the end, The Fresno Police Dept. only sees a very small percentage of the money. And that in turn is money used for the F.P.D. general budget. The budget that keeps Officers on the street protecting the citizens of Fresno. Second, court fees are asessed by the state. Which means all monies from court fines go to the state not Fresno P.D.

Pd a joke?

I can tell you Fresno pd is a joke. What the problem is , is that they dont care about you or anyone else they just want to make money for the city , and screwing you in the process with trafic fines and endless court drama, fees if you fight them.

("Government is a biz" Shaun Rollins)

You forgot one. The Pipenutt Marla

It's obvious she is behind it.
She is the main anti gay, homeless and immigrant poster.
Maybe she should be Orange Marlamalade Bear.

-dear Famous Guest on Tue,

-dear Famous Guest on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 20:47,
your link has nothing to do with the rest of what you posted in your comment. you talk about transvestites on belmont, and yet your link is to a story about two parolees, albeit convicted sex offenders, that were charged with driving under the influence and possession of a controlled substance near fresno state. it would be helpful if you linked to things that backed up, or at least related to, what you're talking about.

-Famous Guest on Tue, 02/17/2009 - 20:22,
many of these comments bother me as well. and, you'll notice that many of the comments are either done by "guests," "doug," or orangebear." surprisingly, these guest comments share a strikingly similar writing style (tone, diction, etc) to these named writers (here and on other posts they've commented on). however, there are others that share your belief that a human does not deserve to be treated inhumanely by officers of the state when in state custody.

i Myself have complained to

i Myself have complained to Code Enforcement and Fresno PD about the things going on in Divisadero and Van Ness/Fulton area-after awhile its just evident they do not care.
Criminal activity occurs daily and by the time a Fresno PD arrives its next week.What does it take? Just bitching on the phone or emailing is not effective.
No matter how much evidence-pictures,documentation,license numbers,desciptions ,etc you present-it still is not enough.

Is that where tranny childmolesters impersonate FPD?

The gurls from the Knights of Mascara want your sons.
It's tranny night at the Red.
Why can't they stick to Motel Drive like all the other hookers?
When your walking your nieces to the store on Belmont near Barton, how do you explain to a 7 year old why there is an ugly man dressed as an ugly woman waving at cars?
The Mayor promised to clean up Fresno.
Where's the chande at on Belmont?

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6627847

Most of these comments make me sick.

Who cares anything about the fact he's homeless, what he's costing society, if he's paying taxes, what he's done before..

The fact is the police used him as a punching bag and nobody here really seems to care. What happened to people caring for their fellow man?

I'm not saying that all police are crooked, but I do think that these two definitely stepped over the line.

This is just another stain on the face of the Fresno PD.

I for one won't speak to another officer without a camera present, and think that perhaps the people of Fresno have forgotten that the PD is supposed to protect and serve.

The police need to realize that Fresnans pay their salaries, and should think about that next time they need some boxing practice.

It's also a shame that more isn't being made of the rampant corruption that seems to be prevalant in the Fresno PD. When is someone going to have some answers? One we can trust?

What about FSU area?

How about the apartment slum near Fresno State area. Certainly not near downtown. There are so many drugs near 6th street. Oh yeah, I know few dealers in luxury apartments in North Fresno.

Dont forget all the drug apartments on Huntington.

You have all those nasty drug and gang filled ones right behind Holme's Play Ground. Playgounds are suppose to be safe for kids.
You have The Resident, Huntington Gardens, Rapheal, and Canyons. They are between First Street and the Freeway heading to Downtown. They are some of the worst slums in Fresno. Where is Code enforcement and the Fire inspectors?
The Mayor needs to crack down on slum owners like the Young's and slum management like J.D Rental's and Robert L. Jensen.

I wonder how you hold such

I wonder how you hold such great insight to the minds of the homeless that you know what they want? I find, in most subjects, the people who talk the loudest about something actually know the least.
Obviously in some cases, you are indeed right. There are those who are in such a spiral, they simply don't WANT out. But to say that is true of the majority is a blanket stereotype.
Again, I agree institutions such as the Poverello House will continue this cycle and more work needs to be put in to stopping the problem at the source rather than the symptom. It's be a lot easier to simply greatly reduce the problem of homelessness than it would be to go around rounding them up and tossing them into furnaces!
Also, while Dyer was never arrested (Of course he wasn't arrested, he was a police officer so we should just trust that he's trying to protect us, right?) he also NEVER denied the claim.

Again, especially with this recession, there are many people out there on the streets who certainly do not want to be there. Thousands of families have lost their houses. And while I agree pouring money into enabling people to mooch is not a good thing, neither is this "Nuke 'em all" attitude. Or, the more disturbing part: "just trust us" attitude. It's like the age old question, "Who watched over those who watch over us". While I commend the police force for their goal of protecting the people, and I salute the officers who have given their lives and put their lives in danger for my safety, this also does not mean we should follow them blindly. They should be held under the same scrutiny as anyone else would be.

Also, to be clear, I'm not saying the cops were not right in this case. A short video clip is not enough evidence to prove that.

Fresno PD is not paying

Fresno PD is not paying attn to where most of these vagrants are located-namely East Divisadero and Van Ness cross street-Fulton.That area is full of drugged up vagrants,Gang members and low income section 8 troublemakers.How anyone conducts a real buisness in that cesspool of filth is beyond me.
The apt comnlex next to that Monif Market is filled with white trash that lets their vandalizing brats run free.Those same people deal drugs daily,nightly.Catholic Charities is behind that complex and they wanna move location due to that.Mayor Swerengen needs to wake up -you wanna clean Downtown? start here!!

These people want enabled to

These people want enabled to support their life of crime and lawlessness.
They expect free education, free health care, free housing, free food, etc...
That's why the Poverty Pimps "aka" Poverello House, the Rescue Mission, and Catholic Charities and Cornerstone are getting rich.
They help perpetrate this cycle of entitlement and enabling.

You attack Dyer with allegations that were never proven in court or in front of a jury. Dyer was never arrested for anything.

Yet church leaders found guilty by juries still walk around free.
You have immigrants in this city that still believe it is acceptable to kidnap and rape women to force them to be their wife.
Then when they are arrested you people moan and protest we don't accept their culture. Welcome to the U.S. Now Obey our laws or leave.
I also agree with the bear that most of the "homeless" don't want help. They just make it bad for those really trying to get help.

Second chance?
How many chances are we suppose to give them?
There is a point were these people not wanting help need to be identified and totally cut off from social services. They will never change.

"I'd be willing to bet he is

"I'd be willing to bet he is just another violent street person that is "homeless" by choice. He doesn't want help. He wants to live off the taxpayers. Well now he will get 3 hots and a cot. Plus free medical care."

You have obviously never had to live on the streets before. Imagine, just for a moment (in your nice warm house/apartment), seeing the sun go down, the temperature drop to freezing, and not having a home to sleep in. Maybe not even a decent jacket. If you are so single minded that you cannot imagine a situation where someone can be thrown into this situation against there will and be unable to get out, you're very small minded. Get a job? It's hard enough for those of us that can take a shower and go interview with a suit... try getting one while you smell like garbage in the streets in raggety clothes. I'm sure employers will be all over you.

"I think Dyer should run for Mayor. Ashley should keep him for as long as she is mayor. Then he can run."

Judging by your previous posts, this does not surprise me. But it doesn't change the fact a man who committed statutory rape became police chief of Fresno. Why should HE be given the second the chance that you loathe to give these other people? Because he wears a badge? Puh-lease, police officers can break the law just as easily (actually, in Fresno apparently it's easier) as the next person.

"What we need to do is show the criminals they are no longer welcome in Fresno and that we support the Fresno Police.
Its time to hang blue ribbons on your door and cars to show you support the Fresno Police."

I, for one, do support the Fresno Police. I believe there have been times in the past where accusations have been unfounded. But I also know our police force is famous statewide for being particularly brutal (especially in treatment to homeless). I also am not a sheeple and follow what the police force says without question. Pardon me for having a brain.

Now, I actually agree with you that pouring funds into keeping up the homeless is a bad idea as it spreads the problem. But to take the action you wish to take is just as stupid. They both just attack the symptoms of the problem, and don't stop the problem at it's source (being education and healthcare). When people are properly educated (and not in a school system where they have to fear being shot or stabbed) and have access to good healthcare, crime rates drop. Imagine that.

If we are going to talk about costs....

How much do most of these "homeless" drugged up or drunk street people cost the taxpayers by draining public services and emergency rooms?
I went to Hero's downtown and one was outside pan handling for money. Said he was hungry. Was he too lazy to walk to the Poverello?
I'd rather have my taxes spent by City on Police then these wastes of resources.
If you didn't have all the liberal whiners giving criminals more rights then working taxpayers we wouldn't need so many police.
But all these criminals want to play the victim and blame others for their problems. As for comments the beaten man was human and no human deserves to be beat that way. Wrong. Some of these so called humans are violent savage animals that chose to give up any humanity they had to be savage violent criminals. They will never change. You make bad choices you pay the price. Honest normal people don't threaten or assault members of their own family or have criminal records. There are a few in my family like this so called "innocent" man. I'd have no problem with the police beating them. They act like savages they need to be treated as such. Then if they hurt or kill someone the same whiners attacking the police yell why didn't the police stop them. It's because liberal laws and judges protect the criminal instead of the victims and society. Little johnny killed bugs, puppies, kittens and shot up the school killing 50 people but he can be rehabilitated. They let him out and he kills 5 people in a mini mart but he can be rehabilitated. How long till society says enough and little johnny gets eliminated and disposed of like the garbage he is?

creating the conflict

The two police officers responded to a call to check on the man's health. He was laying against a tree. As is normal policy in Fresno, police are sent before paramedics.

I've gotten to know several Fresnans living homeless. I've heard from 3 different people that they've been woken by being kicked by FPD.

I'm of the opinion the the actions of the two officers, either provoked the incident or outright began the conflict with violence.

In related news:
A national survey concludes nearly 98 percent of emergency room physicians report that they believe some patients were victims of suspected excessive force by police.

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20090107/UPDATES01/901070447

Also did you know that the FPD takes up 60% of Fresno's General Fund? $152 million from $253 million. The recent $9 million in cuts the the city budget cut $3 million from the FPD. That's only 33% of the cuts. A little out of proportion if you ask my.

Kiel

Lay off Dyer

So your saying this innocent old man is harmless? Pay no attention to his past. He served his time. We should excuse his assaulting his elderly dad because he is a drunk and homeless? He is another victim and taxpayers should care for and support him? I'd be willing to bet he is just another violent street person that is "homeless" by choice. He doesn't want help. He wants to live off the taxpayers. Well now he will get 3 hots and a cot. Plus free medical care. If the lame liberal fool the government and court put over prison health care gets his way, there will be medical prisons with tennis courts and well manicured parks. All paid for by taxpayers. I think Dyer should run for Mayor. Ashley should keep him for as long as she is mayor. Then he can run. Funny how all the ones attacking Dyer are all the left wing liberal criminal lovers. If your going to whine about cutting the State budget start with prisons. Take away the computers, TV's, weights, coffee, chips, soda,cakes and pies. I read something about a baking company worried they wont get paid for cakes and pies until the State budget mess is over. Why are prisoners getting fresh baked cakes and pies to eat? You want better prison health care get rid of the junk food. Go back to basics. Cold cereal for breakfast a peanut butter sandwich for lunch and vegetable soup for dinner. Do the same for the Fresno county jail. Mimms should order up pink jumpsuits t shirts and underwear. With an image of the "fairy shrimp" on them. The jail can also sell fairy shrimp related items with money going to protect the environment. You can support the County and environment with your cool pink fairy shrimp products.
Represent the Shrimp!
What we need to do is show the criminals they are no longer welcome in Fresno and that we support the Fresno Police.
Its time to hang blue ribbons on your door and cars to show you support the Fresno Police.

What most citizens don't know

What most citizens don't know and many don't take the time to understand, is the Police Officers (P/O) role in our society. Confrontations with outlaws and disruptive people often times lead to the P/O being assaulted and worse, killed in the line of duty. P/O can not take any risks to a resistive person. When a person is ordered to submit to handcuffs, there is a reason and a judicial system to clear it, if the person is not guilty. If the P/O is found to be out of line, then discipline him. An amatuer video is not always the truth.

M.D.C.

Fresno P.D. is BullShit!, always have, always will. Happy smiles,Happy smiles

This guy is old, homeless and a drunk. I know where he sleeps at nite and where he hangs out in the day. I see him everyday when I'm leaving my hood or coming back too it. But in no way did he deserve what he got from the hands of infidels, yeah I said it, INFIDELS!!

When injustice becomes law, Resistance becomes duty!

Oh, I almost forgot.......

Sieg heil Dyer(Happy smiles)seig heil(happy smiles)

Have you saluted your neiborhood copper yet?

doug

i am not defending the man's past, or the fact that the police say he was intoxicated in public. i am defending another human's right not to be punched in the back of the head while handcuffed and restrained.

Lets see according to the Bee..

This so called decent citizen asualted his father, tried to hold his elderly parents against their will so they couldn't talk to police, he was intoxicated, fought police, hit them, ripped off a badge.
But we should all feel sorry for him.
He has a history of violence.

wwww.fresnobee.com/local/story/1191211.html

But lets all run out to protest and defend him.

It's a complex issue that

It's a complex issue that most of us don't really understand. How much force to use and when is always going to be a messy thing.
Of course they have more authority when it comes to police work,
that's what they're paid to do. But no one is above the law.

What do we deem strong and effective?

Question: Should police have more authority than I do as an ordinary citizen? In hypothetical: If I was there on scene and noticed this drunk guy causing problems I felt were a risk to others, would it be within my right as a citizen to issue a "citizen's arrest?" I would think so. But in doing so, would I be allowed to face-punch the guy is he didn't reply with my request? I understand the police deal with extraordinary situations and need be able to act accordingly. Was this one of those situations? No so sure.

Well said.

And if the criminal is a repeat offender its time to eliminate them from society.
All a police auditor would do is be another over paid job for somebody that's a friend of a council member. It would be at taxpayers expense and how many staff members would an auditor need? You know they'd pick someone anti-police.

When cops break the law they

When cops break the law they should be prosecuted like everybody else. If that cop broke the law, throw the book at him. But they have to use force at times. It's part of their job. If we didn't have a strong, effective police force the criminals would take over.

What we need is for whiners to leave the police alone.

These criminals deserve whatever they get.
It's because people keep attacking the police these criminals think they have the the right to do as they please. It's time to issue concealed weapons permits and just let people defend themself.If the police were left to do what they need to there would be less crime.
But no we want the criminals to have rights and be able to rob, rape, and kill. Maybe you support letting criminals dress as police to look for children to molest too.

sorry

the video does upset me. and, a lot of people (and maybe police) are under the impression that at first resistance the tazer should come out to force compliance.

Just so you know

The tazer line was a joke.

Ha?

anger is what i'm feeling

first off, this isn't what tazers are for.

second of all, dyer's answer is complete crap. police do not have the right to beat a man that is in custody. the man's "history of violence" is all spin control. this guy was drunk, and didn't want to answer their questions. which, btw, you don't have to do.

fortunately, this incident didn't lead to the man's death. recent encounters between the public and the police haven't always turned out as so. after seeing a video of a man being shot while in handcuffs, i'm angered but not surprised that i am watching a video of police punching a man in the back of the head while in cuffs.

perhaps now the city council will fund a police auditor.