Help out local businesses by not putting them in position for them to be fined by the city.

Think of it this way, when you were a kid in your parents home...you lived by their rules. if you broke the rules there was probably some kind of punishment. well, living within the city, county, state, and nation there are rules set by each level of government. they can place rules (laws) on even the most trivial of matters such as flyers on poles, buildings, boards, height of flag poles, restrictions on height of fences along property lines, parking on the lawn, etc. If people do not like it, they can work with the city to change it....or just move to another city...Berkeley would be right up your alley.

It actually is against the city code (law) to place flyers on city property. the code also has restrictions on postings on private property. The code is there to protect the city as well as the owners from people posting junk on their property. you don't want the city posting billboards on the front of your house for some news on road repair so why would the city want you to post your flyer for your band?

Call Code Enforcement and ask them what the code is, they will explain it to you. also check online, municode.com

Code Enforcement generally gets involved when someone calls and complains to them.

"bitchin'"

Tellytell you can have a bumper sticker and a poster and stormy i'll email you the flier of both our benefit party-80's prom and our bout!
you guys are AMAZING!!!
THANK YOU!

Is it possible to get a .pdf of the flyer so I can make misuse of office supplies here and run off a few thousand?

That or I'll go to Kinkos.

I want one just for personal use... Hook me up with a bumper sticker and I'll handle that action as well!

I would never break the cardinal rule!!!

And yes, we'll bring tape too.
I also have 10 x 15 posters that say "we support smog city roller grrls, Fresno's first and only rollerderby league." for business who would like to display them. they are pretty big so hopefully someone will want one!

if you know anyone who'd want one, let me know and i'll deliver it asap!

Might want to bring some tape to, to put up the flyers in the windows of business owners that are nice enough to let you do it.

And if they say no, we cover their car in said tape. That'll learn em.

Who are they ticketing? The business where the flyer is posted or the person(s) advertised on the flyer? If it's the latter I'm gonna whip up a flyer of the mayor and post it around town and let him get fined.

Seriously this is fricken ridiculous. I can understand telephone poles and what not, but to deny them from storefronts? Why not focus on the blight that is Blackstone Ave? Those signs are much more of an eyesore then a few 8.5x11 flyers.

I'll be ready Friday night with a full tank of gas and a Social D blaring out of the cd player.

I am. :)

the rest of you should too.

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They are ticketing 200.00 per day, and it's citywide.
-This is not just flyers posted up on poles and such
(but)
-apparently posters in windows as well.

Total buggery.
Total.

I'm so there with bells on. Wait, bells will give my position away and render my periwinkle ninja outfit useless. Never mind.

This'll be fun. Can't wait.

Down with the man!!!

(Yeah I couldn't resist)

please make sure you do not tear down fliers for events that have not yet happened.

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Meet at 8pm at La Luna Loca Tattoo shop on Wishon just north of Charlottes Bakery at 8pm.
Be ready to hit the streets.
Be ready to pull down old fliers and pin up ours.
Bring a stapler or staple gun if you have one.
Bring a good attitude and be ready to posse up roller derby style on The Tower District!
Oh! and dont forget your ninja gear!!!

ALL WELCOME!!!!!
The more the merrier!
SCRG has never met an enemy....ONE LOVE!!

been through it before, going through it again.

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ninjas and roller grrls unite!

Im going to hit my girls up right now and see if we can do this!

I was able to look up the ordinances on-line (via this link: http://library2.municode.com/default/template.htm?view=document&doc_acti...) and it looks like you cannot post on any light pole, telephone pole, etc. Also you can't post on a building without the owners's consent. Here's the ordinances as they are written:

SEC. 12-1806. POSTING OF ADS ON POLES OR STREETS.
No person shall post, stick, stamp, print or otherwise affix or cause to be posted, stuck, stamped, printed or otherwise affixed, any bill, poster, advertisement, notice (except official notices) or candidate card upon any telegraph pole, telephone pole, fire alarm pole, electric light pole, electrolier, awning or shelter pole, or upon any public street or street furniture or any appurtenance to any of the aforesaid, or mar, deface, change the appearance of, injure or write upon any such pole, street, furniture or appurtenance, except as permitted by Section 13-108 of this Code; provided, however, owners or occupants of property may paint or employ persons to paint their address number on the curb in front of the property owned or occupied by them pursuant to Article 14, Chapter 9 of this Code. (Orig. Ord. 1930; Am. Ord. 6811, 1966).

SEC. 12-1807. POSTING OF ADS ON BUILDINGS, FENCES, ETC.
No person shall paint, mark or write on or post or otherwise affix or attach any bill, poster, notice, advertisement or candidate's card to or upon any building, wall, fence, or other structure or part thereof, or upon any private property without the written consent of the owner, agent or occupier thereof; provided, that nothing in this section shall prevent the posting of notices required by law. (Orig. Ord. 1076; Am. Ord. 6008, 1961).

But then there is this which almost contradictory (note I'm not a lawyer though I play one on TV).

SEC. 12-1809. MUTILATION OF HANDBILLS OR SIGNS.
No person shall tear down, mutilate, remove, deface or destroy any notice, handbill, or sign of any business or performance of any kind, or any ornamental sign or awning posts, or any news or bulletin board, or any street name sign or traffic sign. (Orig. Ord. 2980).

So I guess unless you are an employee of the CoF then you cannot take down fliers? I'm confused.

I helped post fliers for the Tower Ghost Walk back in Oct. (my group is the one who did the research for the tour) and we just asked each establishment if we could post a flyer and all said yes. I don't see why businesses would say no to this.

I'd be more then happy to pound the pavement on Friday night and see if I can get some flyers up.

Damn straight we would! We can't have squirrels going about and molesting our prized roller girls!

I would forfeit. There arent many things im scared of. well, theres only one thing im scared of....squirrels.
really, i have a reaccurring nightmare that one has attached itself to my hand and i cant get it off.
but im no longer worried because my band of 2 ninjas in periwinkle will save me.

Sorry to be a part of thread piracy...

I agree with both your color choice as well as committing to finding out just what the heck is going on...

Power to the flyers...

Tell Tale: I was debating chartreuse but decided to go with periwinkle. It's more manly.

And I hope this blog thread hasn't been hijacked. It still sucks that stuff was being taken down. I'm gonna see if I can do a little investigating and see what the actual law is. But this is the first I've heard of stuff being taken down and I've been going to Stone's/Starline for years.

Joey: Supposing you had to battle a team of roller derby squirrels... what would be the outcome?

Stormwysper: What color? We don't want to clash..

I could see them tearing them down for a good reason: In a residential area or some other inappropriate place, flyers with objectionable content, etc. But, for gigs at The Starline, on the telephone pole right in front of the club just doesn't make sense. And they didn't even begin to get all of them, just a few right there on the telephone poles in front of BofA and the Starline.

Weird, my girlfriend has me also walk ten paces behind her.

I'd love to help out though, sounds like it would be a blast. That and I already selected my ninja outfit out....

Anything but squirrels. i will take on 5 200lb women at once but leave the nasty vermin out of it!
im scared of squirrels *bats my eyes and tilts my head*
and yes, an email as soon as i find out the time!

Super cool derby pet name...

I've got it, I'll infiltrate the roller grrls by posing as a woman, then when I lead the team to victory, I will out myself to all thus causing enough of an uproar my army of squirrels can rush in and eleminate everyone... then I will rule fresno and soon, the world...

Wait wasn't that a movie?

It's easy to remember your place as a man when surrounded by several women capable of beating the tar out of you... So, no need to worry about me and Stormwysper...

Still want that email though

I tend to skim the comments....sorry guys!
but look at it this way, you totally have a super cool derby pet name!
and of course you can still hang out with us. we like dudes.
especially ones who hang their heads in shame....just walk 10 paces behind like good little boys and no one gets hurt.

I was just re-reading some comments...

Did you call me tellytell!?!

You gotta be careful Joey... names like that have a tendency to stick... for now let's just call that a petname and we'll be good.

(Yes! an actual roller grrl has a petname for me... soon my plan to rule the world will be complete)

I'm a dude too. Is that ok?

*hangs head in shame*

I'm a guy...

Is it really not that obvious?

Damn...

(no worries... just... don't let it happen in public if we ever hang out...)

lol

You should totally come!!!! i think we'll be out Friday around 8ish. i'll email you personally and let you know exactly. You never know, you may just catch derby fever!!!!! We're always looking for new gals who arent afraid to take a tumble!

Wow, chillin' with actual roller grrls!!! I have to admit, it's tempting... Though my rollerskates are sorely in need of maintenance...

When might you be doing such a thing? Perhaps I can run alongside you girls serenading your valiant efforts to both put a hurt on other wheel clad females, and keep eyesores out of fresno. Ah, such a noble calling...

At the very least it'd be worth a few photos...

Again I say, when is that going down? I need times!!!

Will be out in full posse with my roller grrls this weekend pounding the pavement and spreading derby love and info about our upcoming (shameless plug) FLASHBACK 80's PROM at Club Fred March 6, 2008 $5!!!
I'll do everyone a favor, if i see fliers posted that are outdated, i'll simply pull them down to create more space to post newer ones and eliminate the eyesore.

If Stormy and Tellytell wanna come, holla!
*did i just say, holla?

Did I hear ninja army? Sign me up!!!

I don't know if a petition would work, maybe contact the council member who has Tower in their district.

Though, I'm not sure if my giggle is up to par... I can karate chop with the best of them though...

And I agree with the hansenator. If people actually pulled their shiz down, we might not have this problem... But hey, if we have a team of ninjas to run through fresno chopping and giggling, maybe we can get another ninja team to clean up all the old flyers...

God I'm a genius...

I think if people did take down their fliers after the gig or yard sale was over this would not be a problem. It would be more informative as well.The city has laws about the amount of yard sales you can have in a year not because they don't like yard sales but because some people start to have a yard sale every weekend and make it their business. In the same way somebody puts up too many fliers, doesn't pull them down afterwards, uses glue, on private property the city makes laws. Obviously somebody complained to get the city out.

The city should have Public Info Boards located throughout Tower, and elsewhere if needed, that you can put your flier up without hassle. That's the problem with Fresno, those in charge do not think out of the box!

I think that a petition is in order.

i drove by there, just to see if all my rogue flyers were gonzo. nope, they left mine. maybe because they're small and picturesque. or are pictures.

that is, the ones that are posted on the wall next to archers. i think they took down the ones on the power poles.

We all totally need to go out dressed like this and armed with silly string if anyone trys to mess with us. We'll karate chop em then spray them with rubbery hot pink foamy stuff and giggle and run!

Joey... in case you need to from a band of ninjas, I think both Stormwysper and I are interested. And if you want to go solo, you'll need this:

http://theburningbiscuit.com/Pictures%20for%20site/NinjaLesson.jpg

I wouldn't blanket persay, but put them up where you normally would.

Though I do like the idea of a ninja sneaking though Tower at 4:00 am posting fliers. Like Tell Tale said it's just cool.

Note: not to be confused with "down with the men"...

I agree with Stormwysper... Just blanket telephone poles and street lamps with your flyers Joey. But do it in the cover of darkness like a ninja... That's always so much cooler...

I am torn on this subject. I am all for posting fliers in proper places. I am against them posted on trees, lightpoles and such. It gets old when the poles and such have fliers from last months yard sale. It looks tacky and reflects poorly on the area they are located.
If the fliers are removed after the end of the sale or event, then fine. Knock yourself out putting them everywhere. The problems is the fact that people don't remove the old fliers.

FIST IN THE AIR IN THE LAND OF HYPOCRISY!!
sorry, its contageous.

Screw it do it anyways. Don't let the man get you down!

Yeah I'll stop now. Sorry.

I hang out there regularly and i havent noticed a change in the bulletin board on Audies building or the two sides of Mings which are used for hanging fliers.
i'll have to check now.
I'm super bummed because i was planning a sneak attack on all the walls in the tower for our upcoming bout!

Someone must have complained about it unless CoF has a special anti-flyer CTUesque division (sorry I'm having 24 withdrawls) and some guys sole job is to patrol the streets looking for flyers that deserve to be taken down with a ripped out jugular (sorry more 24 withdrawl pains).

I'm also curious about what it's like in other parts of the city. I live on Nees, and sometimes I see posters hanging on street posts over there for events that are a few weeks old.

I wonder if Stone's is the only place where this happens? I still can't believe they sent a city employee to take them down.

Good luck with the story Mike, it'd be great if this got some publicity.

Just a little info:
I do it each Friday, have been for seven or eight months now.
I scour the 'Net for fliers pretty much every day, but never find EVERYTHING, so anybody who has contributions, can always email links to mosegueda@fresnobee.com.

Also: Thanks Dale for posting this. If I get some time soon, I'm going to try to look into this a little more.