Fresno Famous

You forgot to figure in the efects of subdemensional physics

on an interdemensional level.

Remember aliens are involved in pipe snatching.

That's why she has all the cats.

Cats are one of the aliens enemys.

They will not risk entering a house full of cats and transporting some beck to their own deminsion.

http://members.aol.com/moggycat/cat-greeblings.htm

huh...

...So in other words:

A + B equals C, (normally,)

but in this case...

A + B equals PP

....?

Good point. Perhaps the

Good point. Perhaps the pipe lady can clarify?

Or maybe Group A became

Or maybe Group A became unauthorized due to their ill begotten relationship with Group B. Or maybe they just cancel each other out like when you mix matter and anti-matter.

But if Group A is authorized

But if Group A is authorized and they are working with Group B, doesn't Group B become authorized by virtue of their relationship with Group A? Isn't this called subcontracting?

Simply put

2 groups are behind the altering of Fresno's sewer/water lines

Group A = Authorized
Group B = UNauthorized

When various members of Group A conspire with Group B, not only does Group B appear totally legitimate, it leaves no one / no where to report this.
No one oversees the alterations taking place - when questioned, public information is REFUSED.

The public is entitled to the TRUTH. We are ALL entitled to be safe. Believe me - we are not safe, as a result of this nightmare being allowed to continue. The accompanying trail of horrors speaks for itself - all intertwining.

correction re: utility pole relocation

The group is UNauthorized. They were seen in action - relocating and reconnecting lines/cables to the illegally altered structures. Despite witnesses to this, PG&E has no record of what they are doing.

BOTTOM LINE: There are 2 groups altering the city water system - one group is not authorized. I have names and evidence.

You can alter sewer lines

You can alter sewer lines without massive destruction. I do it in SimCity all the time.

The fact remains

You cannot alter a city's sewer system without massive destruction. To do so without permits or inspections speaks for itself. To have the city's risk analyst lie to property owners about the cause behind accompanying sewage spills, followed by more lies about street widening and relocation of utility poles (by an an authorized group), etc. - add it up.
A look at the real estate fraud behind this gives another view as to how property is being taken over - allowing the group behind this to run others off.
When altering sewer lines entails real estate theft and annihilation of property owners - something is very wrong. It all intertwines, which is why it is all being covered up - reporting it has become the crime!

I understand that you are

I understand that you are mentally unstable, but even if the city were to change the sewer route, that would not change the ownership of the land above the sewer system. At most, it creates an easement to allow the city to get to the pipes.

As to widening of streets, to the extent that any private property was taken, the owners are entitled to compensation. They can even challenge, in court, the amount of this award and present their own surveyors. It happens all the time. In fact, it happened when the streets were originally put down and then again when sidewalks were installed.

same thing - downtown fresno

Seems this is also behind the end of downtown and why it has never recovered. The strip mall entailed demolition and destruction - slow and continual altering/destruction of other structures has continued.

Changes in ownership create a continuous turnover that allows for ongoing "renovations in-between. It does not matter how hard one tries to succeed - until the sewer/water lines have been altered followed by a new deed with revised measurements, the failed businesses will continue.

The city's own sewer layout verifies exactly what is taking place. Problem is that one of their former employees took control decades ago - overriding development plans and altering records, carrying out horrific crimes along the way. Put altered records in front of office city personnel and discard all older records - they will fight to protect what is in front of them. Even if they don't line up or make any sense! With no one overseeing what the Dept. of Public Works is doing, this is the result. Tragic.

I though I was the Orange Bear.

Are my inner bears posting again.
Looks around the Buck's smiles at the others.

Maybe I need to go to Mass.
?

down boy, down orange bear

hold on, tiger!
facts are facts

Aren't you a busy one

What does any of your nonsense have to do with anything. Seriously, as much time as you took to compose that masterpiece, you could have likely verified some of what was stated. Or is that the problem - you don't want the truth to be exposed. So you try to divert the attention by making wild accusations and calling people "crazy" or "insane" or "delusional" or "whatever."
{{ yawn }}

Give it a rest already Marla We are tired of your nonsense

Everyone Knows your the "Pipe Lady"
You are deusional and irrational.
You are banned from most City and County Offices.
You harass staff and send threatening letters.
The Police and County Mental Health Personal are well aware of you.
We know about you threatening people and your being taken in for suicidal observation
You have even admitted to it and admitted having a gun..
You have earned you place as Queen of Fresno's Nuttbags.
Everyone knows they stalk you and gas you.
Then they steal your sewer pipes and switch your furniture.
We know about the grey aliens that help them and about you roaming around outside in the bushes at 1 AM with a shotgun trying to hunt the aliens.
You are Marla, the Marla, Sewer Queen Marla, and most famously known as The Pipe Lady.
You Pipe Stealing Conspiracy againg WGS is as widly know as your buddy Ken and his hunt for the underground military base.
You people are sad and pathetic.
You admitted befor you were stalking WGS and wanted him.
Obviously when he refused your attemps to get him you developed an obsession with him.
By your own admission you have been stalking him 30 posibly 40 years now.
You are sick and need help.

Remember Stonehenge Antiques?

Olive, between Vagedes and Arthur (2 blks east of Fruit)

William "Bill" Wyman Polizin - 1994 unsolved murder / shot to death

Not only was the property directly next door to him undergoing alterations (without permits or inspections)at that time, his property underwent major reconstruction after his death, prior to reselling. Including sewer and water lines. The attorney who handled his estate (not listed in directories) is linked to the ringleader behind all of this - they were later caught conspiring in the preparation of fraudulent legal documents for 2 properties 1 blk to the east of this. Near the time of this operation being uncovered, the attorney abandoned his office - taking clients' money and files, never to be seen again.

Remember Joe at the Rib Rack? He went to prison for drugs. After his release, he died. His equipment was already being distributed among the group behind this operation. They were having it sandblasted, to take to a nearby resort - said it was "given" to them, by Kathy, no less.

All it would take is for some of the real estate fraud to be addressed and it would all come down like dominoes. Start with the Laudromat on Olive, between Arthur and Adoline - check out those signatures, not only the 2004, but the ones dating back to the 80s - all linked. Dig up the lot and see what was done to the water/sewer lines at the time of the owner's "disappearance" - during the citywide "upgrade" when the street, alley and sidewalk were torn up and equipment sat there for days. (City sewer layout verifies EXACTLY what took place.) If that isn't enough, there are trails (legal documents) from that Laundromat leading to a few million/billion more in real estate fraud/theft - forgeries verified by handwriting expert.

ah yes ....

"It fell by itself." My point, exactly. No one questions anything.

ADD:
Traffic school - Olive near Fruit / burned + rebuilt
Jackie's Costumes - burned when on north side of Olive, prior to relocating to south side of Olive
Turpin's Furniture burned, Fulton off Olive

This is just a quick list - surely there are more. Add these to the empty lots you now see up and down Olive. Seriously, what is left? Unauthorized construction aka: "renovations" and/or "revitalization." One by one.

Olive, a tight 2-lane street. How did a middle lane miraculously appear? Why is there no record of widening this street? Suely you realize what that entailed. Carrying all of that out, without permits or inspections leaves newcomers believing that all is original. New sheet rock?!? New cement?!? What happened to all of the uniquely crafted windows and features to homes and businesses?

From what I have witnessed, the operation is not always carried out at one time - that would be too obvious. Therefore, until it is over, which entails a new deed reflecting illegally revised lot measurements, newcomers do not stand a chance. Watch the "renovations" before and after. And hear those jackhammers inside.

Oh and for the record Marla the Thrift Store did not burn

It fell by itself.
The Walls fell and roof caved in.
No Fire.
It was old and unstable.

Speaking of which............

Marla all those places burning down sounds like a Conspiracy

Marla why are you posting as a guest?

2 blocks east of tire (Blackstone/Olive)

Didn't an upholstery shop burn down several years ago?

Forgot Blackstone + Olive

Didn't the tire shop on the NW corner burn down (80/90s) - new tire shop re-opened.

Trip down memory lane ....

1. Remember the bar near the SW corner of Palm + Olive that burned down in the 60s?
2. The original Lucky Boy Hamburger that burned down on the south side of Olive in the 60/70s?
3. The bar on the NW corner of Olive and Fruit that burned down in the 70s?
4. First home south of Olive, on Adoline, burned down in the 70s?
5. Perkos Restaurant, on the north side of Olive, just south of Wishon burned down in the 80s.
6. Dead end at San Pablo + Olive, burned in the 70/80s
7. The thrift store on the NE corner of Palm + Olive that burned down in the 80/90s?
8. The 2 homes across the street (NE corner Olive + Ferger) burned; both lots are now parking for the furniture store
9. NW corner of Safford + Olive burned down prior to the martial arts occupying the building - 90s?
10. The Landmark - formerly Carnation restaurant, SW corner of Broadway + Olive burned in the 90s

ADDITIONALLY:
Structures removed as others expanded, shifted down in a "ripple effect." Addresses changed to further cover up evidence of the past - as though things were always this way. The cover-up goes as far as altering of old directories, aerial views and more. This is why there are no older records of Fresno and why the ones that remain, are not supported. The sewer layouts no longer line up to the plat maps. Witnesses and photographs further verify the unauthorized replacement of sewer lines, street widening, relocation of fire hydrants, storm drains, etc., however, there is no record for any of this. Public information is refused.
Down Olive Ave., coinciding with the above alterations, one can find forged/fraudulent deeds, ID theft, real estate theft, "missing" persons, suspected homicide, unsolved murder. Sadly, what I have described here is a mere 1 1/2-mi. stretch. Beneath all of it, one will find felony altering of the city sewer and water lines. The ringleader repeatedly indicated that our water is being ........... shhhh.

Take your blinders off ....

The end of Laucks is the end of a long line of businesses in the Tower Dist. One by one, they have all been wiped out, in one manner or another. Then, the building/s were "remodeled." What do you think the jackhammers were being used for on the insides of these buildings. Going through the floors to ..... guess what. Then guess what is beneath the surrounding cement. C L - M P S.
To outsiders, nothing appears out of the ordinary. No one sees or questions anything .... not even what the structures have since been turned into. You can even see the new sheet rock when the light shines at a certain time of day. No previous layers of paint. Crooked walls/seams.
The next "story" will be that the Tower Dist is falling apart due to age. Money will be poured down the drain, a performance that the public has always fallen for. It will all be torn down and no one will ever question anything. If you really are serious about preserving what little remains, then demand answers. Or pull the cement up (with permission, on private property) and see for yourself.

I'm have hopes that The

I'm have hopes that The Chicken Pie Shop, Drug Fair and Lauck's can all be torn down and be re-developed as a Hooters, or at least a Mega 98 cent store.

Lets Hope!

No business owner should have to clean up after them

It's not the business owners fault.
I have noticed the same ones hang around the Tower regularly.
Why don't the police send them on their way.
I also heard some live in group/boardiing homes.
Home owners get the checks and let them roam around all day.
But if a place like Starbuck's give out cups of free water and lets them use the bathroom it enables them.
They hang around and make it bad for other businesses.
They bug people going to other businesses and those people will not come back.
Thanks Starbuck's for being a bad neighbor.

Not really

I won't give them money either. I will hand them a sandwich,water,blanket,jacket and shoes,etc. But I refuse to give them money.

Tower Starbuck's needs cleaned up.

Don't blame them. Belive me no other business in the Tower is going out of the way to clean up after the homeless. I gave more than enough food the those out there, but when asked for cash, I had to draw the line.

I wish I had the tolerence to give money to these folks like so many others but is it my responsibility?

What would you do. I'm I that shallow?

Confused..

Tower Starbuck's needs cleaned up.

A good steam cleaning.
Some Fresh paint.
Some big padded chairs.
Some sticky tray traps.
New bathrooms.
Some soap and water for the bum asleep in the chair by front door.

Agreed. I don't think

Agreed. I don't think corporations are necessarily bad. I think the starbucks on Olive has been excellent to the Tower community. Whoever moves in needs to fit in rather than stand out. No tuscan crap on my end of town. Keep it up around Champlain and Perrin with those who don't give a damn. Tower's architecture is a unique blend of craftsman and streamline moderne and anything that doesn't follow need not apply (with the possible exception of something like blobitecture or deconstructivism, which gets no love around here anyway).

Laucks...Chicken Pie...

I'm also sad to see Laucks' go. I hope Chicken Pie doesn't follow suit.

In light of all this, I do wonder what the owners of these parcels have going on behind the scenes. Whoever it may be, if they are planning on developing the land more it's a shame that they forced out a longstanding Tower business. It really makes me wonder if what is in store for that parcel is really "Tower-minded" or corporate-driven. I know it's a huge speculation to make at this point but I'm always a bit skeptical.

Regarding the re-use and development of this property, along with Drug Fair:

First, I have to say if it is true that a plan is in the works, this is my dream parcel so whoever designs it better be good. Mixed-use, good architecture which addresses all streets, and NO CLOSING OFF MAROA. Seriously, Tower residents unite: closing streets is not good. Even if it's little one-way Maroa.

Second, I'm moving in a few months, so I won't get to put my two-cents into this project if it does go forward. Again, Tower residents unite: you have some great design guidelines which promote good design for the community. Make sure they get implemented! Don't let corporate identity overshadow the overarching theme and quirkiness of the Tower. Not to say that a chain would or would not be appropriate for the area, but if it does go in, make sure they go by our rules and not vice versa.

I'm sure I'll be back in Fresno someday. And if this is still vacant (and when I get investors), I'm going for it.

Nooooooooo! Not Chicken Pie!

It has to be true.

Marla predicted it.

Another victim of The Pipe Ladys Curse".

Why couldn't she predict the Starbuck's or Tower Chinese closing.

Keep her away from El Conchito Contento.

It's the next Harold and Kumar movie.

Harold and Kumar the Curse of the Pipe Lady.

They help Agents Marla and Ken save the Tower District Sewers from aliens and WGS.

Cue the X Files music. Or

Cue the X Files music.

Or maybe Benny Hill might be more apropos.

They don't move water pipes. They move sewer pipes.

Haven't you been paying attention to Marla?
She told us Chicken Pie was going months ago.
It's old news.
She also told us a hotel was being built in the Tower.
That's a known fact.
Just like the Staph and other diseases were in the Bee.
Funny isn't it.
You lable her a Kook but she keeps being proven right.
I'm begining to wonder if they use her to spread misinformation.
This way noboby believes the truth until its to late.

Rumors about the Chicken Pie

Rumors about the Chicken Pie Shop clsoing have been circulating in the neighborhood for months. What has happened is that the Chicken Pie has reduced their hours recently.

I also heard that Maroa may be closed between Olive and Fern to allow for development east of the Dollar Tree.

No one said Chicken Pie Shop

No one said Chicken Pie Shop is closing. An unsigned poster (shocking I know) apparently has some inside information and stated that Drug Fair and Lauck's are being torn down, Maroa to be closed off (highly doubtful) and to expect to see CPS go to. I believe this as much as I believe that all the water pipes in Tower have been mysteriously relocated.

Chicken Pie Shop too?

What?? I haven't heard anything about the Chiken Pie Shop closing too... this is a very sad bit of news.

If they do indeed tear down Drug Fair and Lauck's I agree with Tommy_Tower, please notice the surrounding building and keep the feel of the area. No LA looking buildings please!

Thread with News! Glad to

Thread with News! Glad to hear there is going to be some movement on those two buildings, Drug Fair and Lauck's. Mixed use sounds interesting. Closing Maroa sounds like a bad idea to me. Unless it's just temporary during construction. Anything will probably be better than the empty buildings sitting, eventually turning into blight. I would like to see just one building with a big enough parking lot to handle the volume. Say, a big nightclub with live music every night of the week. A Trader Joes would be cool, too.

The article in today's Bee had the owner mentioning in the last sentence about the 'quality improving' in the future at the newer location. Decline in sales because of unhappy customers?

Does anyone know what's going on at St. Therese with the construction?

Well I hope the new building

Well I hope the new building is designed to reflect the Tuscan character of the area.

Word is Drug Fair and Lauck's will soon be torn down.

Maroa will be closed beside it too.
Watch for the Chicken Pie to go soon too.
Some serious development is coming to that area.

Pido-I'm not offended by

Pido-

I'm not offended by anything you said. I think you raise a valid point: maybe Lauck's leaving opened the way for future development.

Even if a new mixed-use development is built (a big assumption considering the history of such projects and the current finances of developers), that doesn't necessarily mean that the change was good for the community. The Lauck's building itself is a historic piece of Fresno architecture. The streamline moderne architecture is what gives Olive Avenue its character. You take down Lauck's, and you're just one step closer to a generic street full of stucco boxes. So we lose part of the neighborhood at that point.

Second, as to the loss of Lauck's itself, there's a piece in today's Bee (in the business section, page c-3) about the more immediate impact of the move. The bakery cut its employees to 4 from 13. And Lauck's will only make 5 or 6 types of cookies, instead of 30. Maybe you like jobs, or maybe you like cookies - either way, it ain't good.

The closer question is whether businesses cause sprawl or react to it. I suspect the answer lies somewhere in between. Obviously, businesses are in business to make money. And making money is a good thing. But shouldn't that money-making come with responsibility to the community served?

Loop Location

The location on the Fig Garen loop has been there for a few years at least. So I really don't think it was a case of leaving the tower district for new parts of town. It's to bad you feel that way.
I for one am glad they are on the loop, as I am on that end of town.

Tommy, is moving with masses

Tommy, is moving with masses a contribution to sprawl, or a reaction to it?
I live in Sunnyside; I'm jealous of anything you've got (remaining) in the Tower.
As I better understand the associated issues, I become a stronger proponent for better urban planning and greater density (I come from a land of large yards, no sprinklers, and great air quality). But I can't fault a business for trying to move where there's more...well, business.
But you've introduced an interesting concept to the conversation--that of being a good steward. The interpretation of that term no doubt changes as one's roots in capitalism grow deeper.
Just to play on the hypothetical: if the buildind is indeed demolished in favor of new construction, say a shiny new LEED building, couldn't one argue that they were "good stewards" for giving up the space?
Let me back up: I don't mean to pick on you or your comment, and I hope this post is interpreted as nothing more than an attempt to comprehend a very (very) complex issue.

Rumors About What's Happening

The talk is the landlord has plans to demolish the building (that's supposedly why the HVAC wasn't fixed) along with the old Drug Fair. Mixed use is the rumor--commercial downstairs, apartments above. Problem is, none of the other mixed use projects proposed in Tower have made it off the ground.

buh bye

i wasn't all that sad to see them go. although i enjoyed the beerocks, as others did, i wasn't found of the rest of their baked goods. i just didn't think they were that good for the price you had to pay. and i'm willing to pay for quality stuff.

what is a little sad to me is that the building will probably remain vacant for sometime. it's sort of an odd space, and it has history (maybe just nostalgia) that would be good to preserve somehow. combine that space with the empty drug fair behind it and you've got a completely dead corner at the edge of a retail district = not good.

It's true that there is a

It's true that there is a Lauck's location way out on the Figarden loop. As I see it, part of the problem is that I don't want to support companies that abandon the old parts of town and move out to newer digs (a la The Meat Market). They may be local companies, but they aren't acting like good stewards of the community. It's hard for me to support a company that contributes to the sprawl, rather than acting to solve the problem.

True, Lauck's situation was a bit different thanks to an absentee landlord that basically forced them out. But Lauck's could've found other space in the Tower if it wanted. I just don't see why I should drive out there to give money to a dude that just put a big hole in my 'hood.

Don't mean to throw sunlight

Don't mean to throw sunlight on the wake, but I stopped going there a couple years ago after they messed up several birthday cakes and charged 3 times as much for better cookies at the Joe. Sorry, I must've caught them on a bad day.

yup

Never fear.

6034 North Figarden Drive
Fresno, CA 93722 - (559) 271-3322

*weeps*

Where am I going to get my beerocks now? They can cook out of my apartment anytime they want... rent free... well, maybe rent can be paid in beerocks...

There is still a Laucks at

There is still a Laucks at bullard and Figarden Loop.

as a guy with a gut

the loss of any bakery to me is a deeply personal thing.

Laucks had some of the best beerocks I had ever tasted...
(which, considering I just met my first beerock in the fall of '06, it has been a brief but red-hot love affair.)

the ladies at laucks were always nice, the coffee good, and the pastries worth going for...

...and those beerocks.

I am glad to have experienced laucks.

They will be missed.

(any sign of them relocating or the owners/bakers plunking down elsewhere in the city?)

Just wanna know.