Feds classify Hmong fighters as "terrorists"
Submitted by jarah on Tue, 02/06/2007 - 12:58.
The insanity of the Patriot Act continues. Some Hmong refugees are having trouble obtaining greencards because the federal law classifies them as "terrorists."
The USA Patriot Act bars people considered terrorists from entering this country. That restriction applies even to people who aid guerrilla soldiers deemed U.S. allies, said Joanna Gonzalez, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security.
Retarded? Insensitive? Cruel? Unjust? Did I say retarded?

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Another problem with Blacks and other poor people is gangs.
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Anothe problem with Hmong and other Refugees is gangs.
Anyone claiming refugee status should be on probation for ten years before becomming a citizen.
If you commit any crime, drunk driving, hit and run, murder,ect...
Forget prison. Send them back.
Especially these gangbangers.
Let them go back and terrorize the Communists not the people of America.
As for General "Terrorist" Poa he should be handed over to the Laotion Government for trial.
So should his crew of old fools including the white idiots helping get guns.
Why hasn't Poa's group been investigated under the Rico laws?
Poa and his Hmong Mafia extort millions a year from the Hmong Community. But then its not extortion they are freely giving.
What we need to cut back on is medical & dental care in prisons
Working people don't even get free basic care or dental.
With shortages in the State Budget why should people pay more taxes so scum can be cared for?
If they have bad teeth pull them but dont replace them or cap them.
Basic medical care is fine but not transplants.
If they are on death row or life in prison they dont need a new heart or liver.
And no sex changes.
These freak perverts that sue claiming the state should pay for a sex change should shut up.
If they can't afford it why should taxpayers pay it.
If they already had a sex change and need the medicine tough.
Taxpayers should not pay for hormones.
You did the crime you do your time.
okay, hang on a sec, lemme get this all lined up, here...
First: I completely respect your right to have opinions on this, I'm just trying to clarify what's going on...
-I am wondering if the Hmong, (mentioned in this article,) are being DENIED this classification, ---or if the process is simply still coming to fruition. -Some things are not 'overnight,' in terms of government sanctions, and I am wondering if that is the case here. (I'm a former case manager, I know that you have to have someone really sharp to hand carry certain things for individuals through the red-tape at times, ---and that's just because the system is such a labrynth... If nobody has done that here, -or if someone is in the middle of trying to do that here, it could be something as simple as the process taking a long time and being complex... working with govt. offices, even in the best of times still yeilds the 'stuff happens,' end result.
Though I appreciate your feelings on the issue, -what if it's something as simple as a drawn out paper shuffle that is not intended as being against the Hmong Fighters at all?
-I mean, why go there? I just want to know what the facts are on this before I go thinking '...yeah the govt. is all about screwing over military supporters (who in this area, btw, happen to be a large voting base -once they have their green cards...)
-I'm just doing the math here...
Re: the aiding of injured prisoners or detainees.
-What I'm referring to are the aspects of basic rules that have to be followed by any country,(else they be brought up on war-crimes, IE the soldiers who were mistreating the detainees, who were prosecuted, btw.) -That demand that prisoners of war be treated decently re: food, water, and adequate medical care...
--It sounds like it is being said that the Homeland Defence Act has nullified those rules, (which, again, have not only been in force since pre WW2, ---but have been used to bring (even) US soldiers who have broken those laws to justice...)
--Just doing the math here too...
Final...
-Regarding the meth...
-(and this is not a personal jab in any way, in fact, this information may help you and others who need pseudophed on a regular basis.)
-HOW much pseudophed is needed to be purchased by the average meth-maker
(compared to...)
-what someone who has persistant-chronic respiratory needs for OTC pseudophed???
-(Don't these folks need like, a hatchback full of pseudophed just to produce a 'sellable,' amount of rock???
(If you are in need of that much OTC pseudophedrine, (which is in a less potent strength,)
-wouldn't you be better served with a script by your doctor, prescribing a more powerful (non-otc)dosage,
---that would also verify that you were a chronic patient under a physicians care --and therefore not trafficking?
(I had clients who were on enough phenobarbs (a definitely controlled substance,) to send half of this county into orbit, and carried three months supply ON THEM, just because they had a seizure disorder,
-but because they had a seizure disorder, carried a running prescription and were under a doctors care they were under no threat of being misinterpred as trafficking there, either...)
Taking that much medication, continually, (which I can understand, because the air out here is like breathing a recirculated poorly tuned BigBlock Dodge,)
-has a lot of residual effects on the body that need to be monitored by a physician... (it puts your filtering system into overdrive if nothing else,)
-so a Doc is a great idea... (they may even have a better med that may focus on your condition that is NOT enrobed in all the unnecessary crap that OTC strength meds often have...)
--But again, IF you have a prescription and documented medical records that justify the pharmaceutical that you are using, you are COMPLETELY law abiding, (all they have to do is read the package with the prescription on it and you are cleared...
I HAVE known of a person who was tackled to the ground and held for questioning as suspicious person (and possible terrorist,) when, say, jogging around a municipal water supply with a loaded weapon, (this did happen in an area not far from where the WTC attacks had occurred,)
---but again, the person was carrying a weapon, and was jogging up along a service road next to a huge dam that was patrolled municipal watershed...
(Because the area was remote, had a lot of wildlife that could occasionally attack, the individual was a recovering oncology patient, also had a permit to carry, they basically questioned him and let him go... the guy was a wee bit, um, squirrelly, but was known as being such...)
----But that's a really unusual circumstance.
This may not be a popular statement, (if for no other reason than this area is extremely accepting when it comes to illegal and recreational drug use (hello... POT?)
-I think classifying Meth dealing as a type of terrorism to be kind of creative, but also accurate,
-May not be such a bad idea...
When you can hook people up on meth, it's basically all over.
You very quickly and very effectively ruin their health, their minds, and their lives,
---and provide that which will desintigrate them into highly animated maniacs that will stop at nothing to get their next dose, (often attacking, harming, or killing innocent people.)
Somebody like that on a tare isn't too far from 'zombie,' (is not possible to reason with, is highly destructive, (including to themselves,) can exhibit superhuman strength (which is also self-destructive,) and they move a hell of a lot faster.
(I've seen someone on this stuff go through a complete personality change and in a rage splinter a steel door.)
-Going after the source and supply of the problem needs to be taken seriously...
That means stiff penalties and serious sentences for those who have chosen to not only promote and further, but make money off of this destruction of others.
-Knowing that there will be serious consequences for dealing this stuff might just deter people from doing so.
(It definitely also means compassion and intense counselling and medical care for those affected, but you can't just keep treating a problem without going after the source of it.)
CIA trained terrorists? no, can't be, could it be?
The article says they are still waiting for the Patriot Act exemption. Sounds to me like Congress doesn't see them as a strong enough political group to have on their side come voting day. Why waste their time on a group of people that won't help them later in an election? It's only for the people when it counts.
And yes, the Patriot Act exempts non-officially recognized political units (such as CIA trained freedom fighters) from Geneva Convention rules. This is why they are able to hold those guys down in Guantanamo indefinitely without charging them with a crime.
More Problems with the PA
Think about this. Our senator, Diane Feinstein (and enough other democrat Senators) was only willing to sign this bill if they added on her "meth" section, which they did. As a regular user of pseudoephedrine HCl, I am now required to hand over my DL and sign my name to a list that tracks how much I buy, because of this tag at the end of the Patriot Act. Should I buy too much in one month, I can be deemed a suspected meth maker (now considered terrorism), and thus subject to the same treatment as any other terrorist. I can be held indefinitely and not charged.
Don't get me wrong, I do not consider myself in the same situation as these refugees. The rights being denied them are, by all means, far worse than what I am denied--at least for now. God bless those that help wounded humans, soldiers (sanctioned or guerrilla) or civilians. It takes a much stronger human to aid someone that has tried to kill you and your family. But here, in these great United States, it makes you a terrorist.
tcm
looking for clarity on this:
1. The Bee article says that there are provisions within the Homeland Security Act for varying groups to be recognized as not terrorists but as groups that aided the US, (and mentions a few of those groups there,)
---Are the Hmong and Montgneards(sp?) simply waiting to be filed as these other groups? (which means that they will be accepted, and granted green cards, but the process simply has not been started/completed yet?)
--or have they been actually 'denied' this classification, having applied for it?,
(That is a major difference.)
2. What are the rules according to the Geneva convention with regarding to treating the enemy's wounded, captives, or prisoners in terms of medical care?
(The Bee article states that medical treatment to 'the enemy,' could be taken as supporting them... there are varying circumstances that change the lighting on this...)
-Unless I'm mistaken, if someone is a prisoner these rules (Geneva) demand that (said,) prisoner be given some form of medical aid,
-otherwise it is considered cruel and unusual treatment and violating war-codes.
--Has the Patriot Act superceded these rules?
(note: I'm well aware of the mistreatment and such at US Military Prisons (-as well as the charges brought against the US personell who DID these things, -the prosecution of misstreatment of detainees means that there is a standard of humanity that is to be adhered to internationally, with discipline/punishment for those who violate those rules ---even 'post,' patriot act.)
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