Still missing you Jarah!

Good Luck ;)

Good luck to you. May the fresno force be with you.

Good luck...

All the best...

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Kidding ;-p

(To Jarah: Love ya, Jar Jar! Can I call you that???) haha

But seriously, folks

I agree with the notion that "Dan's" comment was spam. Although it is possible that it wasn't, it is highly likely that it was spam because:

1) He does not address Jarah as anything but "Blogger"

2) There is nothing in his post that specifies her, as an individual (post could have been to anybody)

3) It is random, as it is not cohesive with prior posts

4) Dan is not likely to be a registered user, since he did not log-in to post his comment (and no one seems to know him)

5) etc.

But aside from all that, even if he is from Fresno, he is a registered user of Fresno Famous, and if someone here knows who he is... Dan just SPAMMED THIS THREAD!!!

Just think of what this thread would look like if everybody with a business offer for Jarah posted their crap here.

What Dan said may pass for acceptable to this site, but it does not belong on this thread, fa real.

If Dan were not a spammer, I think he'd know that.

~Rell www.myspace.com/559rell www.myspace.com/trellthareallamane (music production)

PS: ---Josh, you have my permission to move my post to a new thread.

Is Dan's comment 'spam?'
Well, it could be an ad, it could not be an ad.
-considering the amount of people who click on, drop in a few lines, write about stuff and then vanish?
Who knows...?

Even stuff like an article talking about blogging has it's merit on a site that is basically a giant blog.
-so, even if it 'is' an ad, it's relevant.

-We get all sorts of stuff posted on FresFam. -a LOT of ads and such (mortgage, travel, how to kill bugs, -etc.)
-and it's all pertainant in one way or another.
--It could even be argued (if the logic is taken further) that a lot of the stuff we post in support of local events (performances, opennings, stuff like that, -is promotion, and therefore can be seen as 'spam,' too. (It's just that we know these people, support them because we know them, (most of the time who are great practitioners of their craft, -though not always,) -and because they're Fresno Grown (or Formerly of Fresno) ---or are playing at a Fresno venue, -they're 'IN.'

As much as it may be up to Josh to decide what should be posted, or not, --My point in a greater sense?
The site is basically built by all who contribute to it.
The site can be greatly regulated by those who contribute to it, (even those who do nothing but pick it's contents apart and have like, one damn guitar string that they're going to play till the Lord's return...)

If the site is going to be healthy, is going to be productive, and going to mature, ---which is a direct reflection of the maturity and mindset of it's contributors, It has to be (for lack of a better word) 'self-policing.'
(..yes, yes, I know, mention of the word 'police,' as anything other than a ska-pop band sends chills down the spine of so many FresFam contributers... sorry, but we must get past this, shan't we?)

Deciding what to have and not have on here?
Yeah, in a basic sense that is kind of Josh's concern,
---and I respect the way that he does it.

But the greater responsiblity, and sign of a more evolved community
-is one that can work with the material presneted,
choose to engage it (or not,) and recognize that it's all potential for learning and information
--This is a far cry from '...That stuff, Those kind, don't belong here.' (I'm thinking more in terms of 'Intelligence,' than 'Deliverance,(the movie)' here.

Again, there is a ton of stuff that gets posted on Fresno Famous that is completely useless to me,
-but that's okay, I can choose to read it or not, and I'm glad that others find it good information that interests and benefits them,

-I can see past the fact that it does not fit my own personal tastes and scope and respect that, -and that others may enjoy it.

-Can you?

(final note:
-Looking over the correspondance, I'm realizing that the conversation, -though it's about what belongs on FresnoFamous (or not) would be something that Jarah may have appreciated dialogue over, --Still should be on another string.
This was her goodbye note to the site, (and eloquently done,)
-Not sure if Josh has this ability, or not, but perhaps the comments could be cut, repasted, and rehung as 'what makes for suitable content,' as a forum topic. (the Cutting of this, possibly starting with 'Dan's' orig. posting.
Though I do feel strongly about the subject (one of the reasons why I'm writing to it,) I do feel more strongly that the beauty of the initial string's subject matter should remain intact.
-So, Josh, -feel free to relocate my posts (or I can) if you, and the others would like to do so...

Jarah, wherever you are, be well, stay a beauty, hope the courses are blessing you, and I hope your flights across the country were (much) less jarbled than mine were, and that your holidays were good...

-Eric

i hope you are able to tell the difference between an actual comment and spam.

"dan's" comment is spam.

if people from fresno want to write travelogues from asia, i'm fine with it. if some tourist agency is just posting long ads for their business in the guise of an article, that seems outside of the intention of this website. which is why i posted the stated intention of the site.

i talked to josh the other day, and he said it was quite difficult knowing what to cut, if people should be blocked and so on. in some cases, i'd agree. in others, like dan's comment, it seems more transparent. the adverts for traveling to asia, i'm not so sure of, as i've not sat down and read them, but i suspect that they may be out of place.

but i'd say that this discussion doesn't really fit here.

I agree it's about cataloging, exploring, and discovering life in Fresno..' (gee, I couldn't read that moniker myself,,,, -personally I liked 'dedicated to making life in Fresno less Boring,' -but hey, things evlove, right?

'Life in Fresno,' I reckon has changed a tonload over the last few years (that I've been a part of,) ---and it's changed even more as time has gone by...

The Fresno I know?
You don't know.

The Fresno You know?
I don't know.

-yet we both eat, sleep, breathe, shit, Fresno every freakin day of the year... (and pay taxes...)
-I'm open to hearing your, and anybody elses take on Fresno... to me it's valid, and warrants my respect, (but then again, I'm not from here.)

It's changing, there are a lot of things that are a bit of a stretch, (I agree travelling up a river in China? Not something I'm looking to do next week, ---but some folks may want to, ---and if they desire to leave the hallowed walls of the SJV, -Maybe some serious Asian travel is in order... (Pssst, -Ed? There are Asians living here... ---and you know what? a lot of 'em travel...)

-Now, plastering the whole freakin' world with endless travelogues?
Not nice (and thank god that ended shortly after it started...
---I also don't need to go reading Manheim SteamRoller at the SaveMart Arena a million times,
---and wouldn't be any more enthused if an advert for a local Fresno Band was put up as endless scroll either...

My point?
If ANYTHING is the Fresno stereotype?,
it's to piss and moan about stuff, argue over needless things (like boundaries of neighborhoods, etc...) and complain about how much life here sucks...
-Dude, I knew how much life here sucked four weeks after moving here, --and it's been new experiences in suckery (at times,) ---or it can be really cool, too.

I've personally talked to quite a few people who have completely dismissed this site, this scene, this town, (etc.) over exactly the attitude that's coming across in Anti's remarks (I'm not attacking the man, I happen to be friends with him,)

I just think the answer is not '...This does not belong in Fresno Famous,' ---because, to be honest?
If you're in Fresno, and this is part of your life in Fresno, -it counts.
---And believe me, ---there is a wide diversity of life in Fresno that nobody will ever know
-BECAUSE of horseshit like '...talk about Fresno, this ain't Fresno talk...'
I've known folks who are like '...ta hell with these idiots, I'm not going to waste my time, nothing's changed here...'

My point (initially, NOT to be used as some 'example of what does not belong on FresFam.)
-just asking the guy to post his information in a more suitable fashion, (it's about blogging, this site and a lot of us do blog, --so it COULD be relevant.)

-The comments about 'admin with some balls.'
-what the hell was that?
'admin with some balls.'
-um, are the 'admins,' without 'balls.'
-really?
what curtains are we peeking in?
Whether Josh has his balls or not is strictly the business of Josh, his balls, his attorney and his tailor...

Personally?
If this site folds?
-a lot of people are going to be bummed out, and we all know that folks like Josh are working pretty damn hard to keep it rolling, ---and provide a pretty neutral atmosphere,
-knowing full well that the very same people who were so pro-Jarah, so pro-Fresno Famous, -also were so anti-Jarah and all (and spelling doom to the site,) -when she sold it...

Totally sick minds ya got here, chief...
And if I recall she commented pro and con about how small mindedness hobbles so much that could happen here...
Real 'We love you, and if we can't have you NOBODY can have you (stab-stab)' fatal attraction shit.
Seek help.

Same people who spelled the doom?
-Still posting.
(Which, I'm glad they didn't read their own press and forecasts...)

If the site folds?
I see only one main reason:
-People too hobbled by their own heritage and 'town-team-spirit,'
--who live to complain and carry the company line of 'this place sucks, nothing works here,' and tear down whatever comes along,
(basically an extension of only learning to damn other towns and make themselves look better,
-good luck with that addictive downward spiral...)

---Rather than:
Having the balls (whups, there's them balls again,) to stand up and write about what they're thinking and how life is, ---Fresno-Centric or not...

There are going to be plenty of things posted on this site, and many others that people are going to see as 'having nothing to do with Fresno,' -but really are.

-and there's going to be plenty of 'purely Fresno-Centric,' posts written from the standpoint and actions that, quite frankly, should embarass Fresnans that they still exist, -but they're gonna keep doing it, and we're still going to shake our heads and read anyway...

-Either way?
It's all Fresno.
Meat, Spices, shit, and gristle...

Deciding on what's worth being here?
(unless it's something truly heinous and viciously attacking somebody ---even then...)
-up to the court of the common comment,
which means a bunch of people burping up opinions and counter-points, and that little comments number to the right of the string title growing larger and larger...

(Which, to be honest? IS the only real judge.)

"FRESNO FAMOUS is a website dedicated to cataloging, exploring, and discovering life in Fresno."

at least try and make a connection to it.

I did not say that the information was irrelevant.
I simply asked the guy to put his post as a separate issue, -because there are a lot of 'bloggers,' on the site, -and it may be something that somebody wants to check out, --just not as a tag on comment to Jarah saying goodbye.

This whole 'Fresno Only,' thing is taking on a really hostile and juvenile tone.

Who decides something is 'Fresno-centric?'

I'm finding that classification to be used more as a blunt object to swat people who you (or others,) just don't like in terms of their material.
--Big travelogues of people going up the Yang-Tse River??
-okay, -but who's to say that people may not WANT to get out of here and go to Asia on vacation...
-What does it have to be Rademacher playing in Tokyo to qualify as 'news from the rest of the world -that somehow ties into Fresno.'

I got a news flash for you.
In other parts of the country?
People will flat out say that Fresnan's are arrogant, obnoxious, argumentative, hicks who play out their 'town loyalty,' via being such...

-Don't feed the monster, friend.

Part of the strength of any 'equal opportunity,' site is just that, -anybody can comment on what they want, and can be engaged or ignored, ---but it's not about 'your kind and your statements don't belong here.'

Making remarks about 'some admin with some balls,' is just ignant and depreciating of the site-ops that are here, and is completely uncalled for.
I've witnessed FmsWhtWtr go at problems like a one man delta-force to try to keep the lights on and things working ---what do you do?

Again, stop being so 'Fresno,'
-you need to bitch about how the place should be run? Okay, fine...

-Why not, instead, create something that more fits your bill, and focus on doing that? (instead of tearing what is here, down.)

Say what you want about Wiffle and Fresnan, -but at least the guy went off and created something that works for him, and others...
(My God, two defences by me of Mike Seay in one 24 hr. period... this headcold is doing more to me than I thought...)

People already have an idea about this place, and when they look at stuff like your post?
You basically prove them right...
-whether it's true or not.

If that's what you want to do, hey go for it,
But what you're shining on in this ain't the moon,
-it's yer ass.

Or some admin with some balls to remove the junk that gets in here that has nothing to do with the subject topic or Fresno.

...promoting your book or seminar or training session or whatever?
NO problem, knock yourself out.

But, how 'bout next time?
Entering it as a 'Forum Topic,' or some other 'stand alone,' advert,

-rather than desicrating the 'goodbye letter' from the amazing young woman who started the site,(with your ad...)

K?

thanks.

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I read that Ivanka Trump, Donald Trump's daughter, also graduated from Wharton Business School. Is Jarah next in line to be related to Trump?

That's a funny way of putting it but...

I miss me some Jarah, too :-(

EVERYBODY NOW!!!

~Rell www.myspace.com/559rell www.myspace.com/trellthareallamane (music production)

Comment police here. I started a forum topic on the whole outsourcing mess because I thought the Jarah goodbye thread might turn into a Fresno Bee sucks thread. Here is the forum topic, have fun with it over there:
http://www.fresnofamous.com/node/6560

NOW! BACK TO THE "I MISS ME SOME JARAH ALREADY" comments!

Being flip does not seriously address any of the concerns I have. Nice try though.

It is obvious that since Mclatchy owns both there is no reason to believe they would not make the same cut backs and outsource the fresnofamous department jobs to India.

I'm a long time resident of Fresno and have been part of the music seen for more than 12 years. I'm sure you have seen my projects.

As someone who tries to push arts and culture in this town it is disconcerting that on a local blog that SHOULD be a proponent of a Market Place of Ideas and that SHOULD be welcoming my concerns I am met by someone who wants to brush concerns aside in an effort to silence anything that is not pro Fresno Bee.

Umm...considering that a lot of the content is provided by residents, I guess you could consider Fresno Famous has having outsourced if folks in India start developing content :) But it's not like it'll replace what's coming out of Fresno.

Will fresnofamous also be outsourcing jobs to India?

I noticed that most house posts reference fresno bee stories with links. If the information on this website mirrors the fresno bee does it make fresnofamous redundant. Same banner ad's, same stories, same calendar.

No wonder people are dropping like flies.

It's over.

We love what you've done with tha place....Ummm...Can't think of any more cliches at tha moment but congratulations to you!!! You will be missed but not forgotten.

A lot has been accomplished through efforts such as Fresno Famous and things really are progressing now. We thank you.

Well wishes on all of your new ventures and adventures. PEACE! ;-)

~Rell www.myspace.com/559rell www.myspace.com/trellthareallamane (music production)

Nice work, Jarah. The site has (and will continue to) mean a lot. Thanks, and best of luck to you.

all the best, you have a bright future wherever you go, you have ideas, plans, goals, & judging from your little hobby (FF), ways of pulling things together, getting them running & like a good mother hen, kicking them out into the real world (ala Fresno Bee) when they're ready to fly

after you graduate, you can move anywhere
but if you ever find your way back to Fresno, remember this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COMsKPeWAsw&mode=related&search=

Wanted to come out of hiding to say congratulations and best of luck!

There's the blues line,
" You know you're gonna miss me when I'm gone."

and then there's the (shelley?)poem with the statue fallen in the desert:
"`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'

then there's that line: "life below Belmont"

Heck ya! You'll be remembered. Thanks for all you done did. You were/are part of something good, and something still growing/germinating/flopping about.

Good luck wherever you may roam. Wherever you go, they'll be the luckier for it.
--b.

Thanks for showing us that one person (with a good webmaster) can make Fresno a better place. I just hope you 'boomerang' one more time!

I thank you Jarah. Talk us up out there.

Cheers! Without you this would not have been possible. Let's tear up all five boroughs!!

Jarah - what you created is pretty darn amazing. Thank you for opening up the means to voice. I'm sure this is just one of many jewels on your string of life.

Hope you can make the July 1 shows at the Starline... yeah, Rogue Year Round... I have a little hand in the 2 up that night... but you'll probably read about it here soon.

Cheers again.

Cheers to the end of an era, my friend.
Thanks for making a serious dent here in Fresno.
I'll see you in NYC next month!

you're a class act.

-Eric

...young Missy! You did a good thing here!

Kick ass at Wharton Jarah.

I am not even from Fresno and you made it feel like home.