Hi Andy,
Thanks for tuning in. The forum sounded fairly tentative but I will post that information as soon as I can find out more details from the program producers, including posting a separate "event" listing once its confirmed.

KFCF 88.1 FM -- Free Speech Radio for Central California

On the radio program on KFCF last night they spoke of a forum regarding the Trump situation. Does anybody on the radio station have the date and time of that meeting?

One thing that may be a killer factor in terms of 'determining,' how much this whole situaiton is worth, (which I hope KFCF had in their broadcast.)

There is stated value, real value, and projected value..

Think of it in terms of HotRods.
-Your gramma has a totally orig. Hemi Dodge Coupe, looks kind of like the General Lee, but is just a different color...
-to her it's just daily transpo, and it's insured for practically nothing, (because it's a hunk of iron that will take a hit with little damage...)
-To somebody into cars? 'OMG, an orig. Hemi-B Car...'
-To the guy who is going to buy it and turn it into a hotrod or completely restored classic (because it's 'all there,' and single owner?'
---well, when he gets done with it, it's going to be worth tens of thousands...

He's gonna try and buy it from Gramma for a thousand (maybe 1500, and say '..yeah, but it's old, and gas is expensive...')

-But we all know what he's gonna do, and when he's done? it could be worth over a hundred thousand or more? (sometimes lots more..(yep, certain Hemi-Dodges are worth that much...)

-so why should she settle for so little, ---when it's all there to begin with, (just needs restoration???)

Just like what has been done all through time,
(be it railroads or reservoirs buying land,)
you have folks who are sitting on something, and they are not in a 'swanky,' section of town.

They are 'bought out,' at what is called 'fair market price,' ---but the market says that their land is worth diddly, ----so they go and offer them diddly, --or just above...

Then they come in, jazz the place up,
---and you find out that the land is now worth way more than diddly, (this means bocoupe diddly, (or bo-diddley,)
--So folks get 'lowballed,' on their buy out, and then it turns aroud that they should have been given much more.

Not that anybody has the legal guns of the Donald,
---but if the landowners don't get some SERIOUS attorneys and band together on this?

the cha-ching factor is going to be minimal, and a lot of people who are sitting on land, (which, last time I checked, they stopped making land a while ago...) they're going to get gypped.

ALAS, a situation where the multi-ethnicity of Fresno actually will BE coming together and really working hand in hand,
-but it's going to be a bunch of poor folks from the other side of the tracks doing so, (...'community' among the poor is not unheard of, and to be honest, more my brand...)

To KimBurly and all her neighbors...
Talk it up, cover each other's padunkus' ride a tight cluster, get some legal-eagles in there, hold out till they pay enough to put your grandbabies through dental school, and make us proud, (again.)

KFCF keeps a 24-hour online archive of its broadcast if anyone missed this last night. It will still be available until this evening. The archive is divided into 30-minute audio blocks and found here:

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Debbie Speer
KFCF 88.1 FM

I could see the houses on the course being worth more then $600,000 but as you get farther away the price will drop accordingly. I also don't know what size houses Trump is talking about either. Some golf course houses are often on the smaller size then you would find in Old Fig or Sunnyside.

I dunno Hyphenator...

I mean, I have clients and friends who live up in sections like Extreme old Fig, or over in God's country (the N.E.) ---and even down in Sunnyside (the new-McMansioned,)
--and half mill. is kind of standard rate, if not low for some of the entry level 'spec,' or first gen. 'gated communities..'
---and their value is going up as the neighborhoods fill out and stablize,

Ya gotta figure... Trump doesn't do anything on the 'economy,' side, and his places all command top-dollar...
---Now, you can say that he will only charge what the market will bear...
-But he has a funny way of creating his own 'markets,' too,
-AND, again, that may be the 'this will cost this much,' price, --just to get the ball rolling, -but if this becomes desirable?
The prices will go up...

IPO's are always cheaper and (usually,) not the standard, (and in this case, --unless they suddenly find out that the ground is radioactive or there's like major carcenogens in the water or something??? The values will climb.

On KFCF last night they mentioned the top price of houses at the Trump Complex would be in the $600,000 neighborhood which seems more reasonable then $1.5 million mentioned earlier in these posts.

This will be the topic on KFCF 88.1 FM from 8pm - 10pm tonight.

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As far as the price premium for Running Horse homes, it'll ultimately depend on the size and quality of the homes built. I based my assessment on the picture of the unfinished homes published on the Bee. Considering the current state of the market, and the fact that all the lemmings...I mean, speculators are going bye-bye, the purchase market for golf-course homes is likely going to be baby boomers and business owners. You're not going to see any San Diegans buying one as a speculative investment anymore, as there will be no more cheap credit to be had. Having said all that, I don't know what premium a PGA course adds to the price per square foot for a home.

As for Easterners ending up in Fresno. I never planned on staying. I only keep Fresno in my mind because 1) I have family there, and so I visit several times a year and 2) it's a city on the verge...of what, who knows? It's a bit of a quandary. Tale of two cities, progressive modern mid-sized city, or blighted ag town. The future is as hazy as the sky.

be ye male or female... I havn't the slightest (no offence, but you are one elusive entity, that's for sure... somewhat like an orig. Star Trek character, DEFINITELY like one of the extra's on Hawaii 5-0... (you even notice how much eye makeup McGarret, the Chief and the mayor all wore???
and some of those other characters, one scene it's some local in a print shift,
-the next?
they have a straw hat on at the beach somewhere next to a pile of surfboards selling mellons...
You have no idea if they were male or female,
what mattered:
'...no, we have not seen him here in long time, want melon?'

It's like when my nephew (very Italian,) explains Yoda.
'...Yoda is modelled after a REALLY old little Italian Man,,,,
-or Woman, (same thing...whatever, doesn't matter, they both are infinitely wise, have unlimited power, (and will whomp the snot out of you...')

You are definitely a shape-shifter.

Yeah, in the overall sense of life?,
Considering that I believe in a providencial hand orchestrating all that happens in the existance of yours truly, -as well as yours, (as well as in the events of all others?)
Yeah...
God put me here for a reason.
(...I'm glad that I know that God likes me, because otherwise???)

And nobody is 'lost,' in the metaphysical sense,
-at least in that there is one who always knows where we are,
-and what we're up to...
(Good thing they're Benevolent, sad fact that most folks don't even want to get to know them,
(or have opted to embrace this 'Buddhism-Light,' (sort of like COOR's Light, -only the Buddhism doesn't make you have to pee as much...)
-Both affect a temporary state of calm, both can be quite costly, and both aren't going out of business anytime soon I suppose...)
...why so many of my friends are 'going Buddhist,' is a bit of a mystery to me,,, but then again, they all put limes in their beer too...

But if I told you how many times I've been told by both locals and transplants to 'the 'no'
'...yeah, you know that Eagles Song Hotel California?
-you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave??? THAT's HERE...'

It's not the possibility of being stuck in Fresno for the balance of my mortal tenure that scares me.
(Okay, maybe just a little.)
-But this place has plenty for me to do, the natives are friendly enough, and there's lots that I can find to work with...

Nope: the concept '...you can check out, but NEVER leave...'

-What is that?
Fresno stays in your mind?
Her People will remain in your soul (not unlike the happy memory of your highschool graduation party, first kiss (or) mono or lymes, -where you 'test positive forever' (decide which one...)
I don't mind... I have staples in my shoulder care of the nice people of Fresno (or one young woman and three tile-setters who never really learned to drive...)

It's the 'sense of resignation'
(not 'surrender to the will and guiding of a kind God who leads,' no, dear Orcaoid, ---far from it..)
---No, it's this sense of '...we're stuck here, this is all there is, there is no escaping...'

I'm a huge 'Golding' fan.
Love 'Lord of the Flies,' even more so? 'Pincher Martin'...
-you can learn a lot of 'marooned mentality,' through either.
--But I'd prefer maybe a more recent work
Tom Hanks in 'Castaway.'

(Do I get off the island?
Is there love in my future?
Absolutely, it's just probably not going to be with Helen Hunt... (...but for a while the only thing I may comprehend (that will comprehend me back? a vollyball, -anybody got a problem with that?)

There WILL come a day, for all of us, where we will no longer be stranded and feel 'stuck,' here.

-Who knows?
maybe it will be in the arms of Ginger,
the Professor,
or the person in the (really obvious) gorilla suit who lives in the cave in with the sandy floor, big spiders and fake rocks... (I think the rest of the cast members are spoken for...

(...dibs on Maryanne.)

---So maybe that 'lost in Fresno,' results in finding onesself and growing here and (having an impact) on here...
(if so?:
again, dibs on Maryanne...
-though I must confess, I have a thing for RedHeads...)
-okay, at 43? ANYBODY who smells pretty, wears heels, is female, is close to my age, loves Jesus, and is not completely nuts. (we are taking applications for 'partially nuts,')

But for me?
There will come a day where this charming bermuda triangle will burp me up onto some other shore.

And I'll walk along the beach, trying to make sense of my surroundings, (just like I'm trying to do here,)
-thinking of my experiences here, (just like I am doing here with regards to home back east,)
-knowing that the time spent here was a blessing and had taught me things that I needed to know -and now have to share with others

-and wherever they feel their 'stranded/lost/'fresno,' world is...

But believe me, until ANY East Coaster finally gets their bearings? (and the injections kick in?)
Finding onesself in Fresburg, (and don't get me started on freakin' Clovis,'
--is definitely walking around, eyebrows up, mouth agape, and saying '...dear god, where the hell am I???'

(My advice to the general public?
If you encounter Easterners, (even wealthy ones over at Running Horse,)
-approach gracefully,
-do not make sudden moves,
-speak slowly,
-do not be afraid to enunciate (sp?)
--(DO NOT LET RESIDENTS OF OKLAHOMA TALK TO THEM FOR AT LEAST 6 WEEKS -THEY RUN ALL WORDS TOGETHER AND REFUSE TO PRONUNCIATE ANYTHING... IT'S ONE BIG Freakin' MUMBLE...IT REALLY MESSES US UP.)
-Offer them something to drink, LIKE WITH A LITTLE UMBRELLA IN IT.,
-do not put them in direct sunlight,

and fer godssakes,
-do NOT say to them. '...you're here for the rest of your life, we have two selections on the menu, 110degrees or just above freezing with fog, (we're out of snow, and it's not going to rain until Freakin' NOVEMBER...'

-You may want to mail in for the 'advanced course' for those of us card carrying members of the Democratic Party.

PS:
Shotgun blasts at half past 10 in the morning with Ghetto-Hawk overflights on a Saturday? --ALSO not for the newbie...
(...I don't think they have this problem up at Champlain and Perrin.)

I was thinking more of the upper mid-West now

you're not lost, you're just where you were meant to be

last time I checked, they had more to do with settling this area than most anyone else... (perchance the term 'Okie.')

-East Coasters?
may not realize it, but oh yeah, they most definitely ARE lost.

Most East Coasters don't consider CenCal as a moving destination, (others from California do, -because they figure it's 'within three hours of everything and affordable.'
-East Coasters are still like: Fresno? Where? Why?

(not to shock you two,,, considering you both have ties to the East Coast... I think perhaps you two are the only two E. Coasters who deliberately moved here... (with only one staying.)

I would tend to believe you, except East Coasters & Mid-Westerners just happen to end up here in droves, & I don't think they're lost

on 1,
-Luxury McMansions (and real mansions,) are going for 'bout that much, if not a little more, ---that they're squattin' in Trump's 'designer,' greens only raises the ante...

on 2,
-did a bunch of hardwood floors in some of these homes back in 'Jersey, (they've been doing that mansion in the golf course thing for a good fifteen years at least...)
Never could figure why folks would want something that expensive when golfballs are always breaking windows.

2 continued...
-Not speaking for all East Coasters, -but HERE is not the California we dream of, (nor envision,)
-In fact? we think more in terms of Arizona for 'Desert living' (or LasVegas,) ---and SoCal or NorCal in terms of Beach or Beauty...
The lovely Fresno is kind of a default... (even Modesto has more lure for folks 'back east,')

And trust me, nobody's heard of Clovis back home... Nobody.

Most East Coasters don't consider CenCal as a moving destination, (others from California do, -because they figure it's 'within three hours of everything and affordable.'
-East Coasters are still like: Fresno? Where? Why?

(not to shock you two,,, considering you both have ties to the East Coast... I think perhaps you two are the only two E. Coasters who deliberately moved here... (with only one staying.)

on 2), my guess is that you don't play golf? people will pay big bucks to be parked within walking distance of a PGA quality course, if they get membership, specially when Tiger comes by to whamp that little ball. they get front row center every year in a crowded event

and if they're East Coast, what do they know, they get sun 9 months a year, snow once every 5 blue moons, what's not to like?

1) That would be gross, not net.

2) What on God's green earth makes you think those homes are worth 1.5 million each? Did you forget they'll still be in Fresno? Fresno's home prices are already declining, and the trend will only continue for the next few years.

that's my guess on what Trump will earn selling 780 homes around Running Horse

yep, that's $ 1.17 Billion

if he sells them for an average of $1.5 mill each

I doubt Trump will try to fill the whole 9 sq miles with upscale housing. The market for that type of housing is limited in Fresno. Especially with the coming credit crunch and current subprime fallout. People have been overextending themselves for years on their housing purchases. Fresno needs a return to the real. Housing 3x local incomes. If that means smaller lots and higher density so be it.

I think elected officials will be so happy to have Trump handling this, they'll let anything be built.

Yes, if done right it could be great. I do think they will try the former of upscale only, but, a better mix of income levels would be better for the city. It reminds me of what Seaside , FLA became. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seaside,_Florida The higher priced houses were naturally near the beach with ocean views, but, after a year or so, people preferred the smaller, more inexpensive homes closer to the Main Street with its walkable commercial developments in a pedestrian friendly scale.
The seller did pretty well calling Trump's bluff and got an extra $5 million up front.

So much for other bidders. I knew Trump would end up getting it. Now, it's up to gov't to make sure the city benefits as much as possible.

If I know Trump, he'll try to make the area as upscale as possible. What I think would be best for the city is a mixture of upscale homes nearer the course, moving down to middle class single family homes and townhomes as you move away from the course. A significant population of middle class and upper income residents will bring retail and commercial to the area. It can't be the low density sprawl shit that usually is built, or else retailers will build elsewhere and expect everyone to drive.

This could be really big if it is done right. I hope the city doesn't F this up.

I hope the City backs off on letting Trump close off traffic to a portion of Kearney Blvd. There has to be a way to slow and calm the traffic speed through the Trump project without completely closing down an historical and still used road for the sake of one project. Kearney was a Trump of an earlier time in some ways. The mansion he had designed before he died was huge.

What influence does local gov have in how that all shakes out? What kind of things can they do to both assist Trump, influence him to look downtown and/or further help out our downtown?

Diablo